Star Wars was always a story about a father and a son. Now I do feel Lucas seems to imply a lot lately that he had everything worked out in detail during the 70's and I do not believe that. But if you read the early transcript of Journal of the Whills, it is in fact about a father and a son, and it is also abou the choice for good or evil. So in a way, SW is about Vader.
Nevertheless, the Gary Kurtz interview from last year made clear he and Lucas were plotting a nine part film series, in which the Emperor would not be killed until episode 9... So it would have been about Vader in Ep I-VI and about Luke in Ep VI-IX... So all in all, a father and son story.
Unfortunately, Lucas got rid of Kurtz after ESB and cramped Ep VI-IX in one movie...
Originally posted by queeq
That is nonsense... The nature of the Republic is already illustrated in the OT ('a more civilised age, before the dark times, before the Empire' - that says it all IMHO).
Precisely, that very Obi-Wan line is about the ONLY thing about the Republic that was alluded to in the OT, plus the mention of the clone wars. It is important for the PT to highlight how this civilised age became so politically corrupt that it could no longer function.
It would add more weight, bcos the OT rebels were going against the Empire to precisely revive that civilised days prior to the PT.
And i do not know why people do not like that Nelvaan sequence. I think its great. Its anakin final trials that yoda had forseen. It is almost the only time where we see Yoda have the semblance of the power of foresight.
Plus Anakin was for once doing things in the true ways of the jedi - selflessly saved the Nelvaan tribe warriors and way of life. Obi-wan told him, "you have done a great thing for this people". We rarely see Anakin as a true selfless jedi doing his duty in the movies.
Originally posted by Cybervader
Precisely, that very Obi-Wan line is about the ONLY thing about the Republic that was alluded to in the OT, plus the mention of the clone wars. It is important for the PT to highlight how this civilised age became so politically corrupt that it could no longer function.It would add more weight, bcos the OT rebels were going against the Empire to precisely revive that civilised days prior to the PT.
And i do not know why people do not like that Nelvaan sequence. I think its great. Its anakin final trials that yoda had forseen. It is almost the only time where we see Yoda have the semblance of the power of foresight.
Plus Anakin was for once doing things in the true ways of the jedi - selflessly saved the Nelvaan tribe warriors and way of life. Obi-wan told him, "you have done a great thing for this people". We rarely see Anakin as a true selfless jedi doing his duty in the movies.
And we needed all that info because...?
Originally posted by Alliance
Bullshit. The OT was a revolution in franchise marketing. TPM toys were nothign new and the PT marketing was not a new philosophy.Just a bunch of whiny fanboys.
👆 You tell 'em.
Originally posted by queeq
Star Wars was always a story about a father and a son. Now I do feel Lucas seems to imply a lot lately that he had everything worked out in detail during the 70's and I do not believe that. But if you read the early transcript of Journal of the Whills, it is in fact about a father and a son, and it is also abou the choice for good or evil. So in a way, SW is about Vader.Nevertheless, the Gary Kurtz interview from last year made clear he and Lucas were plotting a nine part film series, in which the Emperor would not be killed until episode 9... So it would have been about Vader in Ep I-VI and about Luke in Ep VI-IX... So all in all, a father and son story.
Unfortunately, Lucas got rid of Kurtz after ESB and cramped Ep VI-IX in one movie...
Yeah, I've always wondered about that. The whole series of films may have turned out much different had there been more movies, and I wonder if it would have given the whole saga a different them or feel.
Well, from what Lucas says about EPIII, there was a small sort of "backstory" written to ANH, but it was only a few pages.
In short, Anakin and obi-wan fall apart, anakin wanted power and used the darkside to get it, and his wife wouldn't go along with it.
There is a fight, he burns in lava, boom. Darth Vader.
A republic was great, got eaten up from the inside by a dictator, boom. The Empire. (and Emporer)
That seems to be about all he really had, and I can believe that he had that much.
He says himself on the very first web-doc to Episode I that all the intracate weaving of themes, and connecting of scenes and characters hadn't been worked out yet, just a general backstory.
Bcos that's why the PT was done at the first place?.. to show how things were before the OT. It naturally includes the fall of the Republic and the depiction on the ways of the Jedi as an institution..
And yeah GL only had a rough idea behind the PT. He mentioned in the EpII dvd that he included the "do you remember your real mother" scene in RoTJ to tie in back with Padme in the PT, which he knew was going to be a major role, but was not quite sure where she feature yet.
Originally posted by queeq
I hardly believe that... besides that whole scene is clearly about Leia having known her mother for a few years in life. Just that after-birth glimpse does not give anyone memory, and if it does, why doesn't Luke remember his mother. That birthing scene was the lamest tie-in with the OT i.e. ROTJ.
I agree. GL's unfathomable excuses for discontinuity and his preaching that he has always known everything about Star Wars would be quite amusing if it wasn't taken as canon.