Can Satan be Forgiven?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yeah, we all sin every day. just looking at a chick and thinking naughty thoughts is sin. looking in the mirror and wanting to change your body is sin. masturbation is sin. there are so many different ways to sin its not even funny.

That is why I dislike your religion. Natural Human Traits are considered a fkn Sin in your closed minded religion, and therefore the lack of social/scientific progress that your religion has been responsible for, for centuries, comes as no surprise to me.

FYI- The Old Testament states that if you stare a girl or boy with lust, you are "sinning with your eye" and therefore must take a fork and remove your eyeball.

"For it is better to enter Heaven without your eye, then to enter Hell with your eye"

The Bible is fkn absurd.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
BTW: i do know my religion. first you bash my religion, then you criticize me for not knowing my religion. i'll take one guess at where you must be from. 🙄

You don't know your religion. ❌

You don't even know where you stand ! According to the Bible, and according to Christianity, SATAN IS NOT A NECESSITY ! He is the most UNNECESSARY and WRONG thing in creation. EVIL is not ONLY an non-necessity, but God wants it GONE !

If Evil was a necessity, and if Satan was a NECESSITY, then there would be no such thing as "sin" because God would NOT discourage something that is absolutely necessary, would he ?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Then god is limited, no wonder he's losing.

Yes, there are opposites that cultures never could understand thus giving names to them such as Satan.

losing in what way. he plays on a scale a lot larger then culture or this world. And God is not limited he sets limitations their is a huge difference. However if you don't get this i don't have the time to explain it. As far as their being opposites that cultures never could understand that also crap. Every culture has it's own ideal the opposite of those ideals isn't sin or breaking some kind of social code. That would be a perversion of the ideal. the "dark side" crap is only a temporary perversion which is tolerated for only a little while. Good does not need evil, nor does light need darkness. Darkness is only the absence of light.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is why I dislike your religion. [b]Natural Human Traits are considered a fkn Sin in your closed minded religion, and therefore the lack of social/scientific progress that your religion has been responsible for, for centuries, comes as no surprise to me.

FYI- The Old Testament states that if you stare a girl or boy with lust, you are "sinning with your eye" and therefore must take a fork and remove your eyeball.

"For it is better to enter Heaven without your eye, then to enter Hell with your eye"

The Bible is fkn absurd.

You don't know your religion. ❌

You don't even know where you stand ! According to the Bible, and according to Christianity, SATAN IS NOT A NECESSITY ! He is the most UNNECESSARY and WRONG thing in creation. EVIL is not ONLY an non-necessity, but God wants it GONE !

If Evil was a necessity, and if Satan was a NECESSITY, then there would be no such thing as "sin" because God would NOT discourage something that is absolutely necessary, would he ? [/B]

this thread is pretty pathetic considering Lord Urizen has one of the best comprehensions of what Satan and sin is and he's not even a Christian.

oh by the way that's the New testament your quoting Urizen.

oh and it's not natural human traits that are a sin it's what context their in.

Originally posted by jasofisc
losing in what way. he plays on a scale a lot larger then culture or this world. And God is not limited he sets limitations their is a huge difference. However if you don't get this i don't have the time to explain it. As far as their being opposites that cultures never could understand that also crap. Every culture has it's own ideal the opposite of those ideals isn't sin or breaking some kind of social code. That would be a perversion of the ideal. the "dark side" crap is only a temporary perversion which is tolerated for only a little while. Good does not need evil, nor does light need darkness. Darkness is only the absence of light.

So, evil is that absents of good? I think you are wrong. Apathy is the absents of good.

Originally posted by jasofisc
this thread is pretty pathetic considering Lord Urizen has one of the best comprehensions of what Satan and sin is and he's not even a Christian.

True, but understand I used to be Christian, so my opinions are guided by the Bible and my past Faith.

But yes, I agree it is pretty sad that the people who aim to claim the Truth of thier Faith don't even fully understand the basis of it.

Originally posted by jasofisc
oh by the way that's the New testament your quoting Urizen.

Are you sure ?
My bad....

Originally posted by jasofisc
oh and it's not natural human traits that are a sin it's what context their in.

I know, but rogue Jedi was insisting that Sin is absolute.

apathy is the absents of hate and love, but yeah evil is the absents of good. you don't have to agree.

Originally posted by jasofisc
apathy is the absents of hate and love, but yeah evil is the absents of good. you don't have to agree.

I agree

Apathy means you don't give a sh*t. In order to Love or Hate, you have to be concerned in the first place.

However, I do not agree that Evil is simply the absense of Good. Apathy is also the absence of Good, but does not always include evil either. I am apathetic towards Baseball...does that make me evil? ❌

I think Evil is the intentional act of harming another person, not by accident, not through neglect, but through intention. And by harm, I mean applying murder, torture, cruelty, or control over another person.

I peronally define Good as the intentional act of helping or improving the happiness and health of another person.

Originally posted by jasofisc
apathy is the absents of hate and love, but yeah evil is the absents of good. you don't have to agree.

No way, you are wrong. If you see someone who is dieing and you choose not to help them, are you doing evil?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No way, you are wrong. If you see someone who is dieing and you choose not to help them, are you doing evil?

They say there are two types of evil:

People who DO evil, and people who SEE Evil being Done and DO NOTHING to stop it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
They say there are two types of evil:

People who DO evil, and people who SEE Evil being Done and DO NOTHING to stop it.

I don't see the latter as being "evil". I am trained as a first responder, however, I am also trained to asses the danger, and to not attempt a rescue if it puts my life at risk. Am I evil?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
True, but understand I used to be Christian, so my opinions are guided by the Bible and my past Faith.

But yes, I agree it is pretty sad that the people who aim to claim the Truth of thier Faith don't even fully understand the basis of it.

Are you sure ?
My bad....

I know, but rogue Jedi was insisting that Sin is absolute.

all i meant was that we all sin, no matter how hard we try not to. i am sure that even the most devout die hard christians sin left and right. the key is repenting those sins.
its pretty bold and know it all for you to claim that i dont know my own religion. you know nothing of me and my history, so therefore it is unfair to make such a claim. just because we dont agree doesnt mean we have to get nasty and insulting.
i know, i know, "i am just debating!!!!" that is what you are gonna say, right? thats not debating. that just "i know it all, you know nothing." get over yourself and admit that maybe you dont know it all. it could be that you know more than i, i dont know, but no one is all knowing and all seeing.
except for maybe Ushgarak. 😉 😂 thats a joke, Ush!!! 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
all i meant was that we all sin, no matter how hard we try not to. i am sure that even the most devout die hard christians sin left and right. the key is repenting those sins.
its pretty bold and know it all for you to claim that i dont know my own religion. you know nothing of me and my history, so therefore it is unfair to make such a claim. just because we dont agree doesnt mean we have to get nasty and insulting.
i know, i know, "i am just debating!!!!" that is what you are gonna say, right? thats not debating. that just "i know it all, you know nothing." get over yourself and admit that maybe you dont know it all. it could be that you know more than i, i dont know, but no one is all knowing and all seeing.
except for maybe Ushgarak. 😉 😂 thats a joke, Ush!!! 🙂

I agree we all make mistakes (sin). However, I find the obsession with this to be one of the bad parts of Christianity. If we focus on good, then good is what we will do.

And Lord Urizen, treat people like you would like them to treat you.

thats one of societies biggest problem. rude people that have no or little regard for what they say to others.

I wasn't saying that apathy was evil. Evil is the absence good. what I mean by that, is that personal actions are not evil. evil is the result of actions. If you are going into sin that depends on your ethical system. Whether you go by deyontology (not spelling it right but it means to go things because your following laws or guideline), teleology (your concerned with who your actions are going to hurt and if the benefits are better then the draw backs), or virtue theory (a good person does good things). So anyway I only see people as evil because their fallen (because of the first sin when evil came into the world and broke the relationship between God and man) Every person is evil regardless of what they do from the pope billy gram, gandi. Only though faith in Jesus can we be "good". Once again if you are not a bible believing Christian you will most likely not agree with my statement. that's fine but that's were I'm coming from. My comment on darkness and light had to deal with opposites being equal not on moral behavior. I was saying that good doesn't need evil.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No way, you are wrong. If you see someone who is dieing and you choose not to help them, are you doing evil?

it depends on the context. The way you explained your job it sounds like you do what you can. That's great your a life saver even if you can't save everyone. But if you saw someone hanging on to an edge of a building and you were right their and you just watched them fall that's pretty bad.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I wasn't saying that apathy was evil. Evil is the absence good. what I mean by that, is that personal actions are not evil. evil is the result of actions. If you are going into sin that depends on your ethical system. Whether you go by deyontology (not spelling it right but it means to go things because your following laws or guideline), teleology (your concerned with who your actions are going to hurt and if the benefits are better then the draw backs), or virtue theory (a good person does good things). So anyway I only see people as evil because their fallen (because of the first sin when evil came into the world and broke the relationship between God and man) Every person is evil regardless of what they do from the pope billy gram, gandi. Only though faith in Jesus can we be "good". Once again if you are not a bible believing Christian you will most likely not agree with my statement. that's fine but that's were I'm coming from. My comment on darkness and light had to deal with opposites being equal not on moral behavior. I was saying that good doesn't need evil.

I don't believe in the first sin.

Originally posted by jasofisc
it depends on the context. The way you explained your job it sounds like you do what you can. That's great your a life saver even if you can't save everyone. But if you saw someone hanging on to an edge of a building and you were right their and you just watched them fall that's pretty bad.

Intentions mean more then actions. 😄

[QUOTE=7803614]Originally posted by Shakyamunison
[B]I don't believe in the first sin.

you mean like adam and eve type thing

Originally posted by jasofisc
[QUOTE=7803614]Originally posted by Shakyamunison
[B]I don't believe in the first sin.

you mean like adam and eve type thing

Yes.

ok I understand where your comming from i thing

I think