Originally posted by Mr Master
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This is by far, the funniest post yet from this hater.
Is it not true? has anyone on panel, punked Galactus like so? Sommuning him from where ever he was. They had like 12 of the most powerful weapons ever and it still wasn't enough to defeat him. Show me someone ON PANEL stronger. I dont' want to hear descriptions of how strong any was supposedly stronger than cuz you guys won't even take on panel descriptions of Darkseid avatars as proof. So I want to see drawings of someone who can with stand the combined might of all those artifacts.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is it not true? has anyone on panel, punked Galactus like so? Sommuning him from where ever he was. They had like 12 of the most powerful weapons ever and it still wasn't enough to defeat him. Show me someone ON PANEL stronger. I dont' want to hear descriptions of how strong any was supposedly stronger than cuz you guys won't even take on panel descriptions of Darkseid avatars as proof. So I want to see drawings of someone who can with stand the combined might of all those artifacts.
Get out of my face with company crossovers 😆
Are you kidding?
OK, this fight actually depends on a couple of factors...
1. Are TOAA and/or Presence involved? If so, The Beyonder and Molecule Man don't really have a chance.
2. If TOAA/Presence ISN'T involved, then which versions of LT and the rest are being used? Because the Beyonder's recton did more than just change his power level, it also changed the power level of LT, Eternity, and everyone in between. You see, the recton pretty much made EVERYTHING that the Beyonder did, possible for LT and the rest also. So if it's LT from BEFORE the recton, then the Beyonder would probably take it. But if it's the current LT, who is able to do everything that the Beyonder did, then the Beyonder is going down.
Originally posted by darthgoober
OK, this fight actually depends on a couple of factors...
1. Are TOAA and/or Presence involved? If so, The Beyonder and Molecule Man don't really have a chance.
I agree.
Originally posted by darthgoober
2. If TOAA/Presence ISN'T involved, then which versions of LT and the rest are being used?
Doesn't matter.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because the Beyonder's recton did more than just change his power level, it also changed the power level of LT, Eternity, and everyone in between.
I disagree,
The Cosmics have been pretty much the same in character and power since the mid 80's.
The Cosmics in 1984, during the Secret Wars 1 series (from where I got my Doom scans)
From left to right, the Watcher presents the Cosmics
Gardner
TOAA ( Celestial)
Master Hate (black figure with tentacles)
Chronos
Mistress Love (purple/maroon patch of energy)
Eternity
Lord Chaos
Living Tribunal
Master Order
And the In-Betweener is at the bottom speaking.
Mephisto is also there with Death at the bottom right.
The Cosmics in 1991, from the Infinity Gauntlet series
From left to right
Master Hate
Lord Chaos above
Chronos
TOAA (Celestial)
Mephisto (not a cosmic) & Eon are infront of TOAA
Galactus
Another Celestial
Stranger
Master Order above
Mistress Love
Eternity joins the group shortly after.
LT didn't get involved.
The Cosmics in 1998, from what if Impossible Man had the IG
From left to right
That other Celestial again
Stranger
Master Order
TOAA (Celestial)
Lord Chaos
Chronos
Epoch, who took over Eon's status
Mistress Love
Eternity behind her
Master Hate
the Watcher
Galactus
The Cosmics in 2006, from Last Planet Standing (it's non-canon, but it doesn't change the fact)
From the top, clockwise
The Collector
Living Tribunal
In-Betweener
Stranger
Shaper of Worlds
Lord Chaos
Master Order
The Gardner
Originally posted by darthgoober
You see, the recton pretty much made EVERYTHING that the Beyonder did, possible for LT and the rest also. So if it's LT from BEFORE the recton, then the Beyonder would probably take it. But if it's the current LT, who is able to do everything that the Beyonder did, then the Beyonder is going down.
I disagree,
LT has never been shown to be able to wipe out Death from the Multi-verse, not saying he can't do it, just never has.
Also Beyonder created a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
and you have roughly 22 quintillion drops of water in the ocean, give or take a few.
Which means, that's a mighty Big Universe.
LT transformed the Silver Surfer into a Universe for a moment, the size was not mentioned,
but even if it was as big as 616, look at what 616 is, in comparison to the Universe the Beyonder Created.
Yes Mr. M., but the when the Beyonder was rectoned, it was revealed that LT was more powerful than him. That means that every thing the Beyonder did, LT IS capable of(now I'll admit that he hasn't actually DONE the stuff, but Classic Beyonder never undid the effects of the Infinity Gauntlet either, that doesn't mean he COULDN'T have done it before the recton, but he hasn't). So while LT may not have the actual feats to back up his power, he CAN do the stuff, he's just smart enough to leave well enough alone.
That's why I was wondering which LT we were talking about. I know that the character hasn't changed, but his acknowledged power HAS.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes Mr. M., but the when the Beyonder was rectoned, it was revealed that LT was more powerful than him. That means that every thing the Beyonder did, LT IS capable of(now I'll admit that he hasn't actually DONE the stuff, but Classic Beyonder never undid the effects of the Infinity Gauntlet either, that doesn't mean he COULDN'T have done it before the recton, but he hasn't). So while LT may not have the actual feats to back up his power, he CAN do the stuff, he's just smart enough to leave well enough alone.That's why I was wondering which LT we were talking about. I know that the character hasn't changed, but his acknowledged power HAS.
Pretty much LT, Micheal, Lucifer, Spectre, Mr. Mxyply, THanos Hotu, Reed with the UN, and Metron with the Worlogog and Grand mother box, and Darksied with the ALE are gonna kick these two guys asses. Metron is gonna go back in time and kill all Reece's ever. Wipe out the entire line. THen it's the NON Cannon Beyonder Vs. all these guys. And let's not forget Krona. Who from Jla avengers is cannon for dc. and since he's a dc character, his power lvls are cannon. The duo loose this one badly.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes Mr. M., but the when the Beyonder was rectoned, it was revealed that LT was more powerful than him. That means that every thing the Beyonder did, LT IS capable of
But alot of character became more powerful than the Beyonder after his retcon, that doesn't mean they can all do what he did.
Originally posted by darthgoober
(now I'll admit that he hasn't actually DONE the stuff, but Classic Beyonder never undid the effects of the Infinity Gauntlet either, that doesn't mean he COULDN'T have done it before the recton, but he hasn't).
By that same token the IG never erased Death, and I know it couldn't have cause the THOTU couldn't touch her either.
Now don't get me wrong, IG and THOTU are both more powerful than Death, but Death is the hardest entity to kill. (it's NEVER been done, except for Beyonder)
The IG never created a Universe that was roughly 22 Quintillion times larger than 616 Universe either.
But Beyonder did match everything the IG could do.
So my statement on LT unable to erase Death stands, until he proves otherwise on panel.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So while LT may not have the actual feats to back up his power, he CAN do the stuff, he's just smart enough to leave well enough alone.
The Feats he does have, are more than enough to solidify him as the Most powerful being now, second only to TOAA/HOTU (same power but NOT authority)
You mentioned his depiction of overpowering the IG.
He also transformed the SS into a Universe for a moment.
His authority over the IG is conclusive too.
There are other feats, but I hate just naming them, soon you'll see them all in his respect thread, I'm creating.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pretty much LT, Micheal, Lucifer, Spectre, Mr. Mxyply, THanos Hotu, Reed with the UN, and Metron with the Worlogog and Grand mother box, and Darksied with the ALE are gonna kick these two guys asses. Metron is gonna go back in time and kill all Reece's ever. Wipe out the entire line. THen it's the NON Cannon Beyonder Vs. all these guys. And let's not forget Krona. Who from Jla avengers is cannon for dc. and since he's a dc character, his power lvls are cannon. The duo loose this one badly.
This is ALL gibberish.
Only TOAA and the Presence together defeat them.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is ALL gibberish.Only TOAA and the Presence together defeat them.
Mr Mxyplx is enough against the Molecule man. He would be in over his head.
The LT and Spectre would beat the pants off the beyonder. Micheal and Lucifer and Thanos would all be upset that they didn't get a shot. Krona, forget it, He's more powerful than Both Omniverse combined.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is it not true? has anyone on panel, punked Galactus like so? Sommuning him from where ever he was. They had like 12 of the most powerful weapons ever and it still wasn't enough to defeat him. Show me someone ON PANEL stronger. I dont' want to hear descriptions of how strong any was supposedly stronger than cuz you guys won't even take on panel descriptions of Darkseid avatars as proof. So I want to see drawings of someone who can with stand the combined might of all those artifacts.
Pre ret Beyonder would have stomped a mudhole in Kronus. his feats are better.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr Mxyplx is enough against the Molecule man. He would be in over his head.
Molecule Man erases Mxy from ever existing, therefore bypassing his "get out death card"...
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT and Spectre would beat the pants off the beyonder.
I love LT, but you better get him drunk, so he can muster the courage to fight Beyonder.
Beyonder turns Spectre back into green lantern, and offers him his life back, instead of being a wrath.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Micheal and Lucifer and Thanos would all be upset that they didn't get a shot.
Beyonder remakes heaven, and turns Michael into a dove, Lucifer into a court jester and Thanos into a mindless brute to play ball with the rest of the angels.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Krona, forget it, He's more powerful than Both Omniverse combined.
Molecule Man tells Beyonder, I'll handle this one.
Molecule Man coughs, and implodes Krona's existence into nothingness by accident
Originally posted by Mr Master
Molecule Man erases Mxy from ever existing, therefore bypassing his "get out death card"...I love LT, but you better get him drunk, so he can muster the courage to fight Beyonder.
Beyonder turns Spectre back into green lantern, and offers him his life back, instead of being a wrath.
Beyonder remakes heaven, and turns Michael into a dove, Lucifer into a court jester and Thanos into a mindless brute to play ball with the rest of the angels.
Molecule Man tells Beyonder, I'll handle this one.
Molecule Man coughs, and implodes Krona's existence into nothingness by accident
That entire scenerio was totally ludacris. The molecule man can't beat mr mxyplx. How can he erase a being more powerful than him? and THe beyonder can't muck with the spectre. Only the presence can much with the spectre. you need to just realize that they are simply outclassed here. As a matter of fact, the only being on panel ever to have killed mr mxy, is mxy himself. your whole argument was so unreal. I cna't believe you just posted that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But alot of character became more powerful than the Beyonder after his retcon, that doesn't mean they can all do what he did.
Now don't get me wrong, IG and THOTU are both more powerful than Death, but Death is the hardest entity to kill. (it's NEVER been done, except for Beyonder) [/B]
So my statement on LT unable to erase Death stands, until he proves otherwise on panel.
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Like I said, LT during the Beyonders hayday would probably have lost, but his role as the Ultimate Judge second only to TOAA has been explored further(let's not forget that during Secret Wars 2, he had almost NO feats to speak of to my knowledge), and since he's seen as more powerful now than the Beyonder was then, I feel safe in the assumption that he is now capable of ANYTHING that the Beyonder ever did.
First off. Secret Wars was cannon. Beyonder was cannon. Secret wars 2 is also cannon, which rewrote.. or retconned Beyonder to a lower powerlevel. The characters were cannon, so where you're getting this cannon, noncannon bullcrap from is beyond me. The powerlevel of Preretcon is currently not cannon, however, it doesn't mean it wasn't. Idjit. And since we are allowed to use any character from any timeframe we wish, as long as its specified in the opening threads, this battle is non retconned beyonder.
As far as your arguement about Mr. Mxy. Please don't forget I pointed out the cannon/noncannonness about Elseworlds to you. So don't go acting all high and mighty and knowledgable with your little cabesa. Elseworlds was not cannon. Originally it was called imaginary stories. So when the story of Mr. Mxy destroying the multiverse was written it was considered non-cannon. 1998, introduce Hypertime.
Hypertime- A theory that stated by the assistant editor, introduced in Kingdom, a 2 part series, that any story, no matter the circumstances of it, whether it be the movie, or tv rendition, allstars, elsewords whatever, could all be considered cannon. In an example by the assistant editor, he stated for example a character that in one panel had their thumb cut, but in a following page, the wound appeared on the wrong finger or hand... could be due to hypertime, the facts that a similar but divergent timeline had remerged, and allowed for the change. Hence as of 1998, All stories could be cannon, including the Elseworlds. However it was never officially stated that the specific elseworld title showing Mr. Mxy was a multiversal destroyer was cannon. In fact since its up to the writer to "allow" the story, Mr. Mxy being multiversal being cannon hasn't yet been proven as it was never used in a cannon storyline. Hence the theory of hypertime. And it was allowed from 1998-2005 when the Executive Editor Dan Dido decided that Hypertime no longer existed, and that no further stories including Hypertime would be created. So there were several references to stories involving hypertime. ie flash.. however it does not mean that all stories are cannon, but that they have the possibility for being cannon. Also as of 2005, Hypertime goes away, and the Infinite crisis was used to explain away all of the temporal errors to errors with reality due to the original crisis on infinite earths. As of right now DC has only 1 cannon universe.
Hence. Mr. mxy multiversal was noncannon... it became possibly cannon... but then reverted to being again... noncannon... as only those stories that were important or used in cannon history up to the point of infinite crisis are considered cannon... and as hypertime no longer exists... and mr. mxy as a multiversal was never even alluded to... he isn't one.
I win. You lose. Bite me.
Originally posted by rotiartI"m not evevn talking about hypertime. Guy. Get ur info right. Since the IC retcon, The world's funnest story is now cannon. as are all storyies. they have all been absorbed into the dcu conintuity. Thanks. I did my home work bud.
First off. Secret Wars was cannon. Beyonder was cannon. Secret wars 2 is also cannon, which rewrote.. or retconned Beyonder to a lower powerlevel. The characters were cannon, so where you're getting this cannon, noncannon bullcrap from is beyond me. The powerlevel of Preretcon is currently not cannon, however, it doesn't mean it wasn't. Idjit. And since we are allowed to use any character from any timeframe we wish, as long as its specified in the opening threads, this battle is non retconned beyonder.As far as your arguement about Mr. Mxy. Please don't forget I pointed out the cannon/noncannonness about Elseworlds to you. So don't go acting all high and mighty and knowledgable with your little cabesa. Elseworlds was not cannon. Originally it was called imaginary stories. So when the story of Mr. Mxy destroying the multiverse was written it was considered non-cannon. 1998, introduce Hypertime.
Hypertime- A theory that stated by the assistant editor, introduced in Kingdom, a 2 part series, that any story, no matter the circumstances of it, whether it be the movie, or tv rendition, allstars, elsewords whatever, could all be considered cannon. In an example by the assistant editor, he stated for example a character that in one panel had their thumb cut, but in a following page, the wound appeared on the wrong finger or hand... could be due to hypertime, the facts that a similar but divergent timeline had remerged, and allowed for the change. Hence as of 1998, All stories could be cannon, including the Elseworlds. However it was never officially stated that the specific elseworld title showing Mr. Mxy was a multiversal destroyer was cannon. In fact since its up to the writer to "allow" the story, Mr. Mxy being multiversal being cannon hasn't yet been proven as it was never used in a cannon storyline. Hence the theory of hypertime. And it was allowed from 1998-2005 when the Executive Editor Dan Dido decided that Hypertime no longer existed, and that no further stories including Hypertime would be created. So there were several references to stories involving hypertime. ie flash.. however it does not mean that all stories are cannon, but that they have the possibility for being cannon. Also as of 2005, Hypertime goes away, and the Infinite crisis was used to explain away all of the temporal errors to errors with reality due to the original crisis on infinite earths. As of right now DC has only 1 cannon universe.
Hence. Mr. mxy multiversal was noncannon... it became possibly cannon... but then reverted to being again... noncannon... as only those stories that were important or used in cannon history up to the point of infinite crisis are considered cannon... and as hypertime no longer exists... and mr. mxy as a multiversal was never even alluded to... he isn't one.
I win. You lose. Bite me.
Originally posted by rotiart
First off. Secret Wars was cannon. Beyonder was cannon. Secret wars 2 is also cannon, which rewrote.. or retconned Beyonder to a lower powerlevel. The characters were cannon, so where you're getting this cannon, noncannon bullcrap from is beyond me. The powerlevel of Preretcon is currently not cannon, however, it doesn't mean it wasn't. Idjit. And since we are allowed to use any character from any timeframe we wish, as long as its specified in the opening threads, this battle is non retconned beyonder.As far as your arguement about Mr. Mxy. Please don't forget I pointed out the cannon/noncannonness about Elseworlds to you. So don't go acting all high and mighty and knowledgable with your little cabesa. Elseworlds was not cannon. Originally it was called imaginary stories. So when the story of Mr. Mxy destroying the multiverse was written it was considered non-cannon. 1998, introduce Hypertime.
Hypertime- A theory that stated by the assistant editor, introduced in Kingdom, a 2 part series, that any story, no matter the circumstances of it, whether it be the movie, or tv rendition, allstars, elsewords whatever, could all be considered cannon. In an example by the assistant editor, he stated for example a character that in one panel had their thumb cut, but in a following page, the wound appeared on the wrong finger or hand... could be due to hypertime, the facts that a similar but divergent timeline had remerged, and allowed for the change. Hence as of 1998, All stories could be cannon, including the Elseworlds. However it was never officially stated that the specific elseworld title showing Mr. Mxy was a multiversal destroyer was cannon. In fact since its up to the writer to "allow" the story, Mr. Mxy being multiversal being cannon hasn't yet been proven as it was never used in a cannon storyline. Hence the theory of hypertime. And it was allowed from 1998-2005 when the Executive Editor Dan Dido decided that Hypertime no longer existed, and that no further stories including Hypertime would be created. So there were several references to stories involving hypertime. ie flash.. however it does not mean that all stories are cannon, but that they have the possibility for being cannon. Also as of 2005, Hypertime goes away, and the Infinite crisis was used to explain away all of the temporal errors to errors with reality due to the original crisis on infinite earths. As of right now DC has only 1 cannon universe.
Hence. Mr. mxy multiversal was noncannon... it became possibly cannon... but then reverted to being again... noncannon... as only those stories that were important or used in cannon history up to the point of infinite crisis are considered cannon... and as hypertime no longer exists... and mr. mxy as a multiversal was never even alluded to... he isn't one.
I win. You lose. Bite me.
First off ur an idiot. As long as all those else worlds tales where shown in Infinite Crisis, They were cannon. Theyhave been absorbed into the main DCU. 2ndly, What does your little story have to do with the fact the the molecule man cannot beat mxy. It's not even possible. 3rdly, I call the beyonder Non cannon, becuz all of the feats taht are used to describe him are non cannon or never even happened on panel. all the comparitive dialogue means nothing to me. Show me. Show me the beyonder beating The LT to death. Show me the beyonder more powerful than the omniverse. the beyonder never faced the IG, or the un. So i'm not biting it. you can bite me
Originally posted by rotiart
First off. Secret Wars was cannon. Beyonder was cannon. Secret wars 2 is also cannon, which rewrote.. or retconned Beyonder to a lower powerlevel. The characters were cannon, so where you're getting this cannon, noncannon bullcrap from is beyond me. The powerlevel of Preretcon is currently not cannon, however, it doesn't mean it wasn't. Idjit. And since we are allowed to use any character from any timeframe we wish, as long as its specified in the opening threads, this battle is non retconned beyonder.As far as your arguement about Mr. Mxy. Please don't forget I pointed out the cannon/noncannonness about Elseworlds to you. So don't go acting all high and mighty and knowledgable with your little cabesa. Elseworlds was not cannon. Originally it was called imaginary stories. So when the story of Mr. Mxy destroying the multiverse was written it was considered non-cannon. 1998, introduce Hypertime.
Hypertime- A theory that stated by the assistant editor, introduced in Kingdom, a 2 part series, that any story, no matter the circumstances of it, whether it be the movie, or tv rendition, allstars, elsewords whatever, could all be considered cannon. In an example by the assistant editor, he stated for example a character that in one panel had their thumb cut, but in a following page, the wound appeared on the wrong finger or hand... could be due to hypertime, the facts that a similar but divergent timeline had remerged, and allowed for the change. Hence as of 1998, All stories could be cannon, including the Elseworlds. However it was never officially stated that the specific elseworld title showing Mr. Mxy was a multiversal destroyer was cannon. In fact since its up to the writer to "allow" the story, Mr. Mxy being multiversal being cannon hasn't yet been proven as it was never used in a cannon storyline. Hence the theory of hypertime. And it was allowed from 1998-2005 when the Executive Editor Dan Dido decided that Hypertime no longer existed, and that no further stories including Hypertime would be created. So there were several references to stories involving hypertime. ie flash.. however it does not mean that all stories are cannon, but that they have the possibility for being cannon. Also as of 2005, Hypertime goes away, and the Infinite crisis was used to explain away all of the temporal errors to errors with reality due to the original crisis on infinite earths. As of right now DC has only 1 cannon universe.
Hence. Mr. mxy multiversal was noncannon... it became possibly cannon... but then reverted to being again... noncannon... as only those stories that were important or used in cannon history up to the point of infinite crisis are considered cannon... and as hypertime no longer exists... and mr. mxy as a multiversal was never even alluded to... he isn't one.
I win. You lose. Bite me.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, I like this...you know your 😎
too bad it was used at the wrong time. information not revelant to the discussion at all. I could know chocolate, but it wont' do me any good in a talk about vanilla. That is what he just did. brought info that wasn't needed or even being talked about.
