Classic Beyonder and -Molecule man versus DC and Marvel Omniverses.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m not evevn talking about hypertime. Guy. Get ur info right. Since the IC retcon, The world's funnest story is now cannon. as are all storyies. they have all been absorbed into the dcu conintuity. Thanks. I did my home work bud.

really? you did? did you remember that i was in person in another thread that pointed out to you that elseworlds were not originally cannon? And that it was only due to hypertime, kingdom issue #2? or that according to dan dido the executive editor that hypertime no longer exists?

If you're not talking about hypertime, show me, where does it say that mr. mxy is a multiversal in current continuity. You won't be able to. You're the ignorant fool that calls most people here Marvel fanboys. Guess what jerk. I read more DC than marvel. So I'd like you to prove your hypothesis is more valid than mine. Other than saying its a fanciful tale. I've given in other threads the quotes from the editors themselves and issues. What have you done. Nothing. Thanks for stopping by. Door is to your left. Thanks.

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So either prove your stuff. Or stuff it.

Originally posted by rotiart
really? you did? did you remember that i was in person in another thread that pointed out to you that elseworlds were not originally cannon? And that it was only due to hypertime, kingdom issue #2? or that according to dan dido the executive editor that hypertime no longer exists?

If you're not talking about hypertime, show me, where does it say that mr. mxy is a multiversal in current continuity. You won't be able to. You're the ignorant fool that calls most people here Marvel fanboys. Guess what jerk. I read more DC than marvel. So I'd like you to prove your hypothesis is more valid than mine. Other than saying its a fanciful tale. I've given in other threads the quotes from the editors themselves and issues. What have you done. Nothing. Thanks for stopping by. Door is to your left. Thanks.

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So either prove your stuff. Or stuff it.

First off jerk. The pre ret con beyonder WAS cannon. ANd the World's funnest MXY Was CANNON. I dont' see how one can be used and the other not. And according to DC, all of dc's stories were absorbed into the main dcu. And if you think that excludes else world's re read ur IC books. Cuz when sbp shatters the time barriers, it has else world's characters in it. They are even starting to show up in the main DCU. do dont' come for me please. I know what i'm talking about.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off ur an idiot.

Everyone agrees that you are.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As long as all those else worlds tales where shown in Infinite Crisis, They were cannon.

You've been proven wrong, take it like a man, or... whatever?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
2ndly, What does your little story have to do with the fact the the molecule man cannot beat mxy. It's not even possible.

I already told you, MM erases Mxy from even existing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
3rdly, I call the beyonder Non cannon, becuz all of the feats taht are used to describe him are non cannon or never even happened on panel.

Who's the real idiot?

Show me ONE claim I've made about the Beyonder's FEATS that are not On Panel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
all the comparitive dialogue means nothing to me.

Why should it, your an intransigent obtuse individual, that's like a double whammy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me. Show me the beyonder beating The LT to death.

Scarring him enough, that LT could NOT act.

The Multiversal BALANCE is twisted upside down when Beyonder erases Death:

LT just accepts it.

Don't tell me he was just observing the events taking place with a higher purpose in mind:

This is EXACTLY when the Living Tribunal steps in, MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE, and he DIDN'T.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Show me the beyonder more powerful than the omniverse.

Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

And Beyonder was BOTH,

Everything Outside the Multi-verse

And Everthing INSIDE the Multi-verse aswell

Which means, Beyonder = EVERYTHING IN MARVEL = Omniverse

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the beyonder never faced the IG, or the un.

Show me the UN or the IG making a UNIVERSE 22 Quintillion Times Bigger than 616 Universe.

Beyonder did, On Panel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off jerk. The pre ret con beyonder WAS cannon. ANd the World's funnest MXY Was CANNON. I dont' see how one can be used and the other not. And according to DC, all of dc's stories were absorbed into the main dcu. And if you think that excludes else world's re read ur IC books. Cuz when sbp shatters the time barriers, it has else world's characters in it. They are even starting to show up in the main DCU. do dont' come for me please. I know what i'm talking about.

Dude you are going to get yourself banned, the thread stater stated Classic Beyonder so deal with it. Classic Beyonder will slaughter the Dc/Marvel universe and make mxy his b***h with ease, LT couldn't do sh** to the Beyonder and LT=Full Potential Spectre, only beings that will stop Beyonder/Molecule Man is TOAA/Presence that's if he intervenes if not both universe dies a horrible death.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off ur an idiot. As long as all those else worlds tales where shown in Infinite Crisis, They were cannon. Theyhave been absorbed into the main DCU. 2ndly, What does your little story have to do with the fact the the molecule man cannot beat mxy. It's not even possible. 3rdly, I call the beyonder Non cannon, becuz all of the feats taht are used to describe him are non cannon or never even happened on panel. all the comparitive dialogue means nothing to me. Show me. Show me the beyonder beating The LT to death. Show me the beyonder more powerful than the omniverse. the beyonder never faced the IG, or the un. So i'm not biting it. you can bite me

Originally posted by the Darkone
Do you going to get yourself banned, the thread stater stated Classic Beyonder so deal with it. Classic Beyonder will slaughter the Dc/Marvel universe and make mxy his b***h with ease, LT couldn't do sh** to the Beyonder and LT=Full Potential Spectre, only beings that will stop Beyonder/Molecule Man is TOAA/Presence that's if he intervenes if not both universe dies a horrible death.

THe thread started didn't restrict who could be used. I"m using Mxy against the Molecule man. And any number of being could beat the beyonder. Krona, or even The GEB. They beyonder has very little on panel feats to back up his claim to fame. it's all speculation and hyperbole.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everyone agrees that you are.

You've been proven wrong, take it like a man, or... whatever?

I already told you, MM erases Mxy from even existing.

Who's the real idiot?

Show me ONE claim I've made about the Beyonder's FEATS that are not On Panel.

😆 😆 😆 Why should it, your an intransigent obtuse individual, that's like a double whammy.

Scarring him enough, that LT could NOT act.

The Multiversal BALANCE is twisted upside down when Beyonder erases Death:

LT just accepts it.

Don't tell me he was just observing the events taking place with a higher purpose in mind:

This is EXACTLY when the Living Tribunal steps in, MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE, and he DIDN'T.

Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

And Beyonder was BOTH,

Everything Outside the Multi-verse

And Everthing INSIDE the Multi-verse aswell

Which means, Beyonder = EVERYTHING IN MARVEL = Omniverse

Show me the UN or the IG making a UNIVERSE 22 Quintillion Times Bigger than 616 Universe.

Beyonder did, On Panel.

I think he does this on purpose so he can geat a double whammy, he's like mikey, he likes it 😉 .

nvrbeen is a dumbass, just stop already.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everyone agrees that you are.

You've been proven wrong, take it like a man, or... whatever?

I already told you, MM erases Mxy from even existing.

Who's the real idiot?

Show me ONE claim I've made about the Beyonder's FEATS that are not On Panel.

Why should it, your an intransigent obtuse individual, that's like a double whammy.

Scarring him enough, that LT could NOT act.

The Multiversal BALANCE is twisted upside down when Beyonder erases Death:

LT just accepts it.

Don't tell me he was just observing the events taking place with a higher purpose in mind:

This is EXACTLY when the Living Tribunal steps in, MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE, and he DIDN'T.

Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

And Beyonder was BOTH,

Everything Outside the Multi-verse

And Everthing INSIDE the Multi-verse aswell

Which means, Beyonder = EVERYTHING IN MARVEL = Omniverse

Show me the UN or the IG making a UNIVERSE 22 Quintillion Times Bigger than 616 Universe.

Beyonder did, On Panel.

ANd The ALE's tiny droplet is enough power to remake a universe. DiD you see how big the ALE was? Who's to say the ale isn't like 50 trillion little pieces of universe remaking power. ur doing math with made up equation pieces.

And I need Just one person to show me Mr. Mxy being beaten by any simple Matter manipulator. No matter how powerful. Mxy isn't even from this plane of existance. Who's to say Molecules even exist in the 5th D? People just make shit up off the top of thier heads and then say i'm a dumb ass. Screw you.

Originally posted by darthgoober
LT is the only one in my mind that could do everything he did.

We'll agree to disagree as you said.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I mean, I seriously doubt that Eternity could create a universe as powerful as he is.

Actually that's 22 Quintillion (1000 Quadrillions) Times Bigger than Eternity.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course he's the only being to ever destroy her, everyone else that was THAT powerful knew better.

Thanos didn't know better with THOTU, he simply couldn't reach her realm, because it's Beyond the Multi-verse.

Against the Beyonder, there was NO escape.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But we know that will never happen because he knows better. That doesn't mean he CAN'T. The only way that would ever happen is if it fit into plans laid down by TOAA, and if that were the case, I think he could do it. So we'll have to agree to disagree once again.

Well like I said, Thano had the power, and couldn't.

And Death is not more essential than Time and Space in order for there to be existence, Thanos simply couldn't get to her.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like I said, LT during the Beyonders hayday would probably have lost, but his role as the Ultimate Judge second only to TOAA has been explored further(let's not forget that during Secret Wars 2, he had almost NO feats to speak of to my knowledge),

He was the Ultimate Judge since his inception.

LT has always been the Most powerful character Secret Wars came out, then the TOAA was introduced much later.

Originally posted by darthgoober
and since he's seen as more powerful now than the Beyonder was then,

How'd you come up with this assumption?

LT hasn't proven to me he is more powerful Now than Beyonder was Then.

And believe me I follow the character thoroughly.

Originally posted by Validus

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Your the man V

Love the way you ignore all the sense I made in my post.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd The ALE's tiny droplet is enough power to remake a universe. DiD you see how big the ALE was?

You mean this ALE:

Long enough to prevail!

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Dr Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen defeated the ALE, get over it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who's to say the ale isn't like 50 trillion little pieces of universe remaking power.

Well DC hasn't, but nice going on the pure SPECULATION on the ALE's power.

Talk about making stuff up, you got nerve.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ur doing math with made up equation pieces.

I think not.

A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

There are roughly 22 Quintillion Drops of Water in the Ocean, according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. (it's actually been dropping since the early 70's, which means there was more)

Originally posted by Mr Master
We'll agree to disagree as you said.

[i]Thanos didn't know better with THOTU, he simply couldn't reach her realm, because it's Beyond the Multi-verse.

Against the Beyonder, there was NO escape.[/B]

[i]He was the Ultimate Judge since his inception.

LT has always been the Most powerful character Secret Wars came out, then the TOAA was introduced much later.[/B]

I know his role has always been the same, but his power was never explored.

[i]How'd you come up with this assumption?

LT hasn't proven to me he is more powerful Now than Beyonder was Then.

And believe me I follow the character thoroughly. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Love the way you ignore all the sense I made in my post.

You mean this ALE:

Long enough to prevail!

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Dr Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen defeated the ALE, get over it.

Well DC hasn't, but nice going on the pure SPECULATION on the ALE's power.

Talk about making stuff up, you got nerve.

I think not.

A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

There are roughly 22 Quintillion Drops of Water in the Ocean, according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. (it's actually been dropping since the early 70's, which means there was more)

DiD They defeat the ALE or just trap it cuz it's too dumb to know how to get to them. let's use some logic. They ALE was too powerful for them to combat. They couldnt' beat it. They destroyed a universe to trap it. IF the ALE is WAAAAAAAAAAAy stronger than them, as they even said, and they had the power to destroy a universe, it would be rather logical that the ale has the power to simply punch a hole into the next reality to get to them. it just isn't sentient enough to think like that. THey never beat it. They couldnt' even they said so.

Originally posted by darthgoober
👆 That's what I like about you, your always willing to.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Now let's not forget that she was actually PRESENT when the Beyonder took her out, she wasn't in her own domain or anything.

That doesn't make any difference, Beyonder went into Death's realm anytime he felt like it,

Death is too AFRAID to even respond to her X-Muderer

and it was Beyonder that summoned Death to it's own execution, Death wasn't just hanging around in that restaurant.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I still think that Thanos wasn't gunning for her and THAT'S what saved her.

On Panel it was because of different reasons:

Her Realm was Beyond his reach.

Certain scenerios in comics are left to interpretation, Not this one.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I personally believe if she had been present and Thanos wanted to, she'd have went down like everyone else.

Thanos couldn't absorb Anything Outside the Multi-verse or was it the Omni-verse, or the Universe...who knows...the series in that respect leaves everyone confused.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I know his role has always been the same, but his power was never explored.

I'll agree it wasn't explored much.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't mean that he's more than prerecton's theoretical power(having more than millions of multiverses combined and such),

That numeber is an actual gauge by the Writer himself, Not Beyonder or any other character.

Just like we know TOAA or the Presence is Infinite, because a Writer told us, not because of feats that don't exist for either.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I mean that since he was established to be more powerful than Beyonder post recton, that he has more power than the Beyonder actually USED to accomplish his feats.

I'm a little confused by this.

As for the battle between omniverses vs the duo....

I'd have to give it to presence/toaa.

Jack Kirby/Stan Lee is a better duo then those two...

or DC could summon the ambiguously gay duo... the jobbers on those guys would frighten Beyonder away.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DiD They defeat the ALE or just trap it cuz it's too dumb to know how to get to them. let's use some logic.

read the comic before using meaningless logic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They ALE was too powerful for them to combat. They couldnt' beat it. They destroyed a universe to trap it.

The ALE was more powerful, and the ALE was STILL defeated.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IF the ALE is WAAAAAAAAAAAy stronger than them, as they even said, and they had the power to destroy a universe,

The issue NEVER said that, STOP making stuff up.

Simply they would eventually lose to the ALE

Nice try.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it would be rather logical that the ale has the power to simply punch a hole into the next reality to get to them. it just isn't sentient enough to think like that.

Read the comic like I told you up top, then use logic.

"I now understand what the Anti-Life Force is upto"

ALE has been PLANNING it's escape for a MILLENNIUM

If the ALE was so dumb, it wouldn't have nearly succeeded in destroying the Milky Way with the Four Aspects it through after Metron, not to mention it lasted a Millennia planning it's escape, and it almost did.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THey never beat it. They couldnt' even they said so.

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Dream on fella.

Originally posted by rotiart
or DC could summon the ambiguously gay duo... the jobbers on those guys would frighten Beyonder away.

😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
read the comic before using meaningless logic.

The ALE was more powerful, and the ALE was STILL defeated.

The issue NEVER said that, STOP making stuff up.

Simply they would eventually lose to the ALE

Nice try.

Read the comic like I told you up top, then use logic.

"I now understand what the Anti-Life Force is upto"

ALE has been PLANNING it's escape for a MILLENNIUM

If the ALE was so dumb, it wouldn't have nearly succeeded in destroying the Milky Way with the Four Aspects it through after Metron, not to mention it lasted a Millennia planning it's escape, and it almost did.

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Dream on fella.

They didnt' destroy the ALE, or defeat it. NOt even close. Darkseid could barely contain a piece of it. The only reason it was trapped is becuz they destroyed the only way it knew how to get out. It took millenia to figure a way out. And they trapped it by destroying the bridging universe. Please dont play me like I"m dumb. They in no way shape or form destroyed or defeated the ALE. They said the Threat of the ALE. They didnt say the ALE is forver ended. THey said the Threat. They didn't have the power to beat it.