Classic Beyonder and -Molecule man versus DC and Marvel Omniverses.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They didnt' destroy the ALE, or defeat it. NOt even close.

Long enough to prevail!

Now go look up the word Prevail.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Darkseid could barely contain a piece of it.

You can continue to make stuff up, and I'll disprove it with On Panel Evidence.

Darkseid was doing just fine with the fraction he absorbed:


But he didn't know the ALE sent an Aspect after him, as he exited it's dimension

Again read the comic first please.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only reason it was trapped is becuz they destroyed the only way it knew how to get out. It took millenia to figure a way out. And they trapped it by destroying the bridging universe.

The only way out?

What the heck are you talking about

When it CAN'T even SURVIVE OUTSIDE it's Realm

Read the comic, or keep making an ass of yourself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please dont play me like I"m dumb.

Not dumb,

intransigent and ignorant, yes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They in no way shape or form destroyed or defeated the ALE. They said the Threat of the ALE. They didnt say the ALE is forver ended. THey said the Threat. They didn't have the power to beat it.

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Defeat.

If the ALE was so powerful, it should have erased Fate and company the minute they arrived, or atleast after it was attacked.

But Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen managed to hold off the ALE long enough to escape.

Try jumping into another Universe as a means of escape against Beyonder, or MM, or IG or UN or LT or a host of others.

You would be chased across ALL Universes, found, and erased.
Actually, you wouldn't escape to begin with.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Long enough to prevail!

Now go look up the word Prevail.

You can continue to make stuff up, and I'll disprove it with On Panel Evidence.

Darkseid was doing just fine with the fraction he absorbed:

But he didn't know the ALE sent an Aspect after him, as he exited it's dimension

Again read the comic first please.

The only way out?

What the heck are you talking about

When it CAN'T even SURVIVE OUTSIDE it's Realm

Read the comic, or keep making an ass of yourself.

Not dumb,

intransigent and ignorant, yes.

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Defeat.

If the ALE was so powerful, it should have erased Fate and company the minute they arrived, or atleast after it was attacked.

But Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen managed to hold off the ALE long enough to escape.

Try jumping into another Universe as a means of escape against Beyonder, or MM, or IG or UN or LT or a host of others.

You would be chased across ALL Universes, found, and erased.
Actually, you wouldn't escape to begin with.

First off, THe beyonder isn't ominicient. He dind't even know marvel was there for a while. he doesn't know all. and 2ndly, The ALE was not Destroyed. Darkseid with his little peice could have remade the universe. just a piece of it. We can't know what the entire thing could do in the hands of Darkseid. The Ale was limited by it's knowlege. It kills me cuz it seems like you can read between the lines for the beyonders power, like when he supposedly punked the abstract, but never laid a finger on them, but you can't read between the lines on the ALE's power. When it's clear that they couldn't kill it or defeat it. They had to destroy a reality and who ever lived there, just to contain it. Even dr. fat ask for mercy on his soul. i'm threw with it. IN ur eyes, marvel has ever single universal power and they can just defeat anything. fine. In my mind, I don't think molecule man can beat mr mxy. And I think the beyonder on panel doesn't have the feats to back up his description of power. while mxy does have on panel feats of unlimited power. we will have to disagree.

Sorry, I had to run an errand, now where was I? Oh yeah....

Originally posted by Mr Master
🙂 On Panel it was because of different reasons:

Her Realm was Beyond his reach.

Certain scenerios in comics are left to interpretation, Not this one.

Yes, but notice that Warlock says OVERLOOKED, that implies that, at least in Warlocks opinion, that she and her domain would have been absorbed, had Thanos thought of it. Now I realize that Warlock isn't THE authority on these matters, but I do give him a lot of credit when it comes to the general scope of a cosmics power. He also says that her domain lies outside that reality, he doesn't act like she was beyond his power, just somewhere else. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet was the master of countless realities, so with THOU he should have been master of all of them, even Death's Domain.

I'm a little confused by this. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First off, THe beyonder isn't ominicient. He dind't even know marvel was there for a while.

How many time have you noticed the Molecules floating around in the everyday air?

Have you forgotten that 616 was around 22 QUINTILLION TIMES SMALLER than Beyonder's Universe,

That's 22,000 Quadrillion, and ONE Quadrillion is 1000 Trillions, and on and on.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and 2ndly, The ALE was not Destroyed. Darkseid with his little peice could have remade the universe. just a piece of it.

That was NEVER Proven On Panel.

Darkeseid said it, but NEVER got the chance to act on it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We can't know what the entire thing could do in the hands of Darkseid.

We can't even know what a Fraction would do, since he NEVER did anything.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Ale was limited by it's knowlege.

Now I'm going to accuse of LIES!!!

because I showed On Panel, that the ALE was NOT "limited by it's knowledge" in anyway.

It coerced a masterful plan in order to destroy the Milky Way Galaxy.

Please read the comic, cause your wasting my time.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It kills me cuz it seems like you can read between the lines for the beyonders power, like when he supposedly punked the abstract, but never laid a finger on them,

"never laid a finger"?

Your right, he didn't have to when he ERASED Death, the MULTIVERSAL Abstract.

He didn't have to lay a finger on the rest, cause he had them whimpering at his feet.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
but you can't read between the lines on the ALE's power. When it's clear that they couldn't kill it or defeat it. They had to destroy a reality and who ever lived there, just to contain it.

They couldn't erase it, kill it, or absorb it, but they certainly DID defeat it.

How ever it was done, it was done.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IN ur eyes, marvel has ever single universal power and they can just defeat anything. fine.

I never said that, but your fantasies don't really bother me.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In my mind, I don't think molecule man can beat mr mxy.

Which is why your losing points everytime you post.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I think the beyonder on panel doesn't have the feats to back up his description of power.

Like Creating a UNIVERSE from scratch, 22 Quintillion Times Bigger than 616?

Like Erasing Multi-Death, (which to this day, NO ONE else has done)?

Like by dominating the Cosmics, the Universe, the Multi-verse and the Judge of ALL the Multi-verses?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
while mxy does have on panel feats of unlimited power. we will have to disagree.

What?...supposedly Erasing a Multi-verse?

That's NOT Unlimited, UN can do that and IG is Above UN, LT is Above IG, Beyonder is Above LT.

And rot pointed out how it's trully Not canon anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes, but notice that Warlock says OVERLOOKED, that implies that, at least in Warlocks opinion, that she and her domain would have been absorbed, had Thanos thought of it.

Did you also notice, "She exists in a plane of Reality OUTSIDE this Actuality"

It's the same reason Thanos could Not Absorb Atleza's domain iether.

It's due to how the Multi-verse or Omniverse is structured.

The Multi-verse and the rest of the Marvel Universes rests with in the Cosmic Vortex.

See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the Universe)...

and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of the Anchor of a Universe ...

Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....

The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Universe, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Multi-verse.


Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by the Space & Time which encompasses Multi-Eternity/Infinity, since it is Outside the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now I realize that Warlock isn't THE authority on these matters, but I do give him a lot of credit when it comes to the general scope of a cosmics power.

Warlock's word holds alot of weight.

Whatever he says concerning Cosmics, can be trusted as fact.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He also says that her domain lies outside that reality, he doesn't act like she was beyond his power, just somewhere else.

Death is not beyond the IG or the HOTU, but nor the IG or THOTU can touch Death, because her Realm is beyond it's influence.

(I showed you how Reality is structured.)

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet was the master of countless realities, so with THOU he should have been master of all of them, even Death's Domain.

IG made him master of ALL Universes, excluding LT.

HOTU made him master of ALL Universes including LT.

None can reach Outside ALL of Space and Time.(Multi-verse/Omni-verse)

Originally posted by darthgoober
What I was saying, was that LT was revealed to be more powerful than the Beyonder in the recton, he had more power than the Beyonder used to accomplish his feats.

Your saying, that LT has shown more power than Beyonder did before the retcon?

Originally posted by darthgoober
So even though prerecton's theoretical power may be beyond the scope of LT, the power he used to accomplish his actual on panel feats, is surpassed by LT since LT was revealed to be more powerful.

When was LT revealed to be more powerful Now, than pre-retcon Beyonder was then?

Or when did LT display more power Now, than pre-retcon Beyonder did then?

Originally posted by Mr Master
How many time have you noticed the Molecules floating around in the everyday air?

Have you forgotten that 616 was around 22 QUINTILLION TIMES SMALLER than Beyonder's Universe,

That's 22,000 Quadrillion, and ONE Quadrillion is 1000 Trillions, and on and on.

That was NEVER Proven On Panel.

Darkeseid said it, but NEVER got the chance to act on it.

We can't even know what a Fraction would do, since he NEVER did anything.

Now I'm going to accuse of LIES!!!

because I showed On Panel, that the ALE was NOT "limited by it's knowledge" in anyway.

It coerced a masterful plan in order to destroy the Milky Way Galaxy.

Please read the comic, cause your wasting my time.

"never laid a finger"?

Your right, he didn't have to when he ERASED Death, the MULTIVERSAL Abstract.

He didn't have to lay a finger on the rest, cause he had them whimpering at his feet.

They couldn't erase it, kill it, or absorb it, but they certainly DID defeat it.

How ever it was done, it was done.

I never said that, but your fantasies don't really bother me.

Which is why your losing points everytime you post.

Like Creating a UNIVERSE from scratch, 22 Quintillion Times Bigger than 616?

Like Erasing Multi-Death, (which to this day, NO ONE else has done)?

Like by dominating the Cosmics, the Universe, the Multi-verse and the Judge of ALL the Multi-verses?

What?...supposedly Erasing a Multi-verse?

That's NOT Unlimited, UN can do that and IG is Above UN, LT is Above IG, Beyonder is Above LT.

And rot pointed out how it's trully Not canon anyway.

I'm going to show you just how you think.

I would like for you to name something or a person from DC that in ur mind can match
The power of
The Molecule man
The beyonder
THe IG
The HOTU
THe UN.

If you can think of things or beings that are a match then I'll say your not biased. If you can't, then I know that you pretty only know marvel stuff.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm going to show you just how you think.

I would like for you to name something or a person from DC that in ur mind can match
The power of
The Molecule man
The beyonder
THe IG
The HOTU
THe UN.

If you can think of things or beings that are a match then I'll say your not biased. If you can't, then I know that you pretty only know marvel stuff.

Considering Mxy's feat in Elseworlds,
UN = Mxy

LT = Full Power Spectre

IG = who ever in DC that's directly beneath a Full Powered Spectre
(Only LT is Above the IG)

MM = AM, AFTER absorbing ALL those Universes possibly

HOTU = Lucifer & Michael together if they equal the Presence in Power.
(THOTU = TOAA's Power, but Not it's authority)

Beyonder = Presence

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did you also notice, "She exists in a plane of Reality OUTSIDE this Actuality"

It's the same reason Thanos could Not Absorb Atleza's domain iether.

Warlock's word holds alot of weight.

Whatever he says concerning Cosmics, can be trusted as fact.[/B]

[Your saying, that LT has shown more power than Beyonder did before the retcon?

When was LT revealed to be more powerful Now, than pre-retcon Beyonder was then?

Or when did LT display more power Now, than pre-retcon Beyonder did then? [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Considering Mxy's feat in Elseworlds,
UN = Mxy

LT = Full Power Spectre

IG = who ever in DC that's directly beneath a Full Powered Spectre
(Only LT is Above the IG)

MM = AM, AFTER absorbing ALL those Universes possibly

HOTU = Lucifer & Michael together if they equal the Presence in Power.
(THOTU = TOAA's Power, but Not it's authority)

Beyonder = Presence

What about The God wave, The source, The worlogog, and the grandmother box. I'm just trying to get you to see how you guys make dc look when it comes to cosmic power. when both universes pretty much are equal. And i can't count the beyonder as being equal to the presence. THe presence is god. He can't be counted.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but Warlock implied that Thanos COULD have absorbed them if he hadn't overlooked them.

Warlock never said Thanos "Could have" or implied it. imo.

Thanos absorbed ALL he could Absorb, which is ALL of of Space and Time:

Thanos Absorbed ALL he could, until "NOTHING remained".

Only the Realms existing OUTSIDE of Space and Time remained.

Which is literally, Death's domain, Oblivion's domain, the Universal Anchors and literally a few Universes that reside OUTSIDE the prime Reality.

Originally posted by darthgoober
There is no concrete proof that they were beyond his power, unless you count that they were still around, which can be explained by his overlooking them.

You keep saying that darth, but I never said Death or Atleza are above THOTU.

How could he overlook them if he absorbed ALL there was until there was Nothing, Thanos Stopped absorbing when there was Nothing left.

Originally posted by darthgoober
With the power of TOAA, he had power over EVERYTHING, not just time and space.

Thanos was given the Power of TOAA, but NOT it's Authority.

Which is why he was manipulated by TOAA through out the entire series.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If time and space were all he was trying to absorb, then of coarse everything that was outside time and space would still be left,

I never read where it says, he was only aiming to absorb Time and Space, if you show me where that is, I'll except that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
but that doesn't mean that he couldn't decide to absorb those things also once he thought of it.

Perhaps, but anything more than what's on panel is speculation.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The recton made it so that LT is more powerful than the Beyonder, right. So that means that he is more powerful than the Beyonder was SHOWED being.

Ok, now I get it,

but no, LT has NOT been depicted as being More powerful at anytime than Beyonder was in his Pre era.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not greater than the amount of power that he still had in reserve, the power that he actually used.

Nothing LT has ever done, trumps Beyonder's greatest feats.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock never said Thanos "Could have" or implied it. imo.

Thanos absorbed ALL he could Absorb, which is ALL of of Space and Time:

Thanos Absorbed ALL he could, until "NOTHING remained".

Only the Realms existing OUTSIDE of Space and Time remained.

Which is literally, Death's domain, Oblivion's domain, the Universal Anchors and literally a few Universes that reside OUTSIDE the prime Reality.

You keep saying that darth, but I never said Death or Atleza are above THOTU.

How could he overlook them if he absorbed ALL there was until there was Nothing, Thanos Stopped absorbing when there was Nothing left.

Thanos was given the Power of TOAA, but NOT it's Authority.

Which is why he was manipulated by TOAA through out the entire series.

I never read where it says, he was only aiming to absorb Time and Space, if you show me where that is, I'll except that.

Perhaps, but anything more than what's on panel is speculation.

Ok, now I get it,

but no, LT has NOT been depicted as being More powerful at anytime than Beyonder was in his Pre era.

Nothing LT has ever done, trumps Beyonder's greatest feats.

There is one thing that the LT has done that trumps all of the beyonder's feats. He Retconned the Shit out of the beyonder.

^^^ true can't argue with that

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What about The God wave, The source, The worlogog, and the grandmother box.

Grandmother Box might = the UN (I think Orion remade Reality with it)

The rest don't come close

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm just trying to get you to see how you guys make dc look when it comes to cosmic power.

There is no bias here, if a character is more powerful than another, I'm not going to support the loser, just to be politically correct.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
when both universes pretty much are equal.

I wouldn't argue to much with that.

But when you decide to say Mxy can take Beyonder, ofcourse everyone is going to disagree.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And i can't count the beyonder as being equal to the presence. The presence is god. He can't be counted.

Who do you think Beyonder was?

Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

And Beyonder was BOTH,

Everything Outside the Multi-verse

And Everthing INSIDE the Multi-verse aswell

Which means, Beyonder = EVERYTHING IN MARVEL = Omniverse

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is one thing that the LT has done that trumps all of the beyonder's feats. He Retconned the Shit out of the beyonder.

hum

Your calling other members idiots, and then you post this. 5funny

LT stepped out of the comic book pages

and became an editor in chief hysterical2

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is one thing that the LT has done that trumps all of the beyonder's feats. He Retconned the Shit out of the beyonder.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hum

Your calling other members idiots, and then you post this. 5funny

LT stepped out of the comic book pages

and became an editor in chief hysterical2

Originally posted by bigbran
I've said it before. You ignore huge posts just to anwser a sentence.
Plus...

He didn't even reply to one thing I said,

his rebuttal had absolutely Nothing to do with my post.

He saw himself against a corner, and lashed out that gibberish.

hey bran, did you ever know it was LT that retconned Beyonder... 😆

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LT Retconned the Shit out of the beyonder.

LT is the shit... man ... he does a raging demon and kills everyone

Mr. Master I haven't read anything in those pics showing the Beyonder is everything inside the Multiverse. The Beyonder didn't know why he was here, showing him not being God. He would be comparible to Michael as having Gods power but Michael knowing why he is here, Beyonder doesn't.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He didn't even reply to one thing I said,

his rebuttal had absolutely Nothing to do with my post.

He saw himself against a corner, and lashed out that gibberish.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Nothing LT has ever done, trumps Beyonder's greatest feats.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There is one thing that the LT has done that trumps all of the beyonder's feats. He Retconned the Shit out of the beyonder.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hey bran, did you ever know it was LT that retconned Beyonder... 😆

I still can't get over that one.

Originally posted by kevdude
Mr. Master I haven't read anything in those pics showing the Beyonder is everything inside the Multiverse.

"My Imagination and Reality are virtually INDISTINGUISABLE.

ALL Existence, except me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"

"I might have just dreamed ALL this up"

Originally posted by kevdude
The Beyonder didn't know why he was here, showing him not being God.

Who said he didn't know why he was here?

When he noticed the microbe called the Multi-verse, it caught his attention, he came and explored, learned about Desire, and wanted to understand,

But how could he:

Originally posted by kevdude
He would be comparible to Michael as having Gods power but Michael knowing why he is here, Beyonder doesn't.

Like I said, Beyonder knew why he was here, he was trying to understand desire, and there lied the paradox.

How can you Desire, when you can do anything: