Originally posted by Mr MasterHe said "There is another you overlooked in your mad frenzy of absorption, titan", now that seem to imply that he could have, in Warlocks opinion.
Warlock never said Thanos "Could have" or implied it. imo.
[i]Thanos absorbed ALL he could Absorb, which is ALL of of Space and Time: [/B]
[i]Thanos Absorbed ALL he could, until "NOTHING remained". [/B]It's never said that he absorbed all he could, just all that might threaten his reign, and let's face it, Death and Warlock didn't really try.
[i]You keep saying that darth, but I never said Death or Atleza are above THOTU [/B]No I meant beyond the area of his influence, I didn't mean that you thought they were above him. Sorry for the confusion.
[i]How could he overlook them if he absorbed ALL there was until there was Nothing, Thanos Stopped absorbing when there was Nothing left.
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[i]Ok, now I get it,Now I'm not familiar with the details of the recton, but did they actually alter time or something so that the things he did, didn't actually happen? I've always been under the impression that only his perceived power was changed, but the events that went down still took place. Because if all the events still stand, then LT is more powerful than the Beyonder's best showings by default. But like I said, I'm not really aware of the recton's details, and if the events were erased some how, then that wouldn't really apply so ignore my prior statements.but no, LT has NOT been depicted as being More powerful at anytime than Beyonder was in his Pre era. [/B]
Originally posted by darthgoober
He said "There is another you overlooked in your mad frenzy of absorption, titan", now that seem to imply that he could have, in Warlocks opinion.
I believe if he was implying that, he would have not followed it with,
"For She too Exists in a Plane of Actuality OUTSIDE this poor Reality"
Thanos tells Warlock, "You have Always been Part of the Universe but Inexplicably Apart from it....That Saved you."
Because he was attending to Atleza with Gamora.
(Warlock, Gamora, Atleza) Death, Oblivion and ALL the Cosmic Anchors survived, because their Realms are ALL beyond Space and Time
"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE this Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"
These are Three seperate instances were the Reason for surviving Thanos's absorpsion was clearly because they were OUTSIDE Space & Time
If you disagree, lets just forget about it, cause I'm not changing my mind and neither are you.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet had dominion over more than just space and time, it doesn't really make sense for those to be the ONLY things he could absorb.
What else is there?
The Omni-verse is made up of Space and Time.
The OMNI-VERSE
Merlyn and Roma oversee the Omni-verse and Betsy Braddock (Captain Britain's sister), is in training.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's never said that he absorbed all he could, just all that might threaten his reign, and let's face it, Death and Warlock didn't really try.
Did you see and read the scans that represent a blueprint of how the Omni-verse is structured?...I posted them for you in the previous page I believe.
Thanos absorbed until there was Nothing left
The only things left in the Multi-verse are Thanos and Warlock
"all that is required are Space and Time, which No longer exist"
Originally posted by darthgoober
He sought to destroy all that might oppose his reign, and everyone that would was INSIDE time and space. So if he set his goal to absorb all that would threaten his reign, then everyone who didn't, wouldn't be targeted.
Ok, let me just put this to rest:
AFTER Thanos Absorbed LT and the Abstracts (which was his THREAT)
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
Originally posted by darthgoober
Now I'm not familiar with the details of the recton, but did they actually alter time or something so that the things he did, didn't actually happen? I've always been under the impression that only his perceived power was changed, but the events that went down still took place. Because if all the events still stand, then LT is more powerful than the Beyonder's best showings by default.
Everything Pre-retcon Beyonder did up until the retcon is Canon, so long as he's acknowledged as Pre-retcon Beyonder.
The retcon was total crap.
Because it was conjured after Beyonder was around for almost Six years.
Beyonder was retconned into a Universe smaller than Eternity.
Beyonder was then retconned into a pocket Universe.
Beyonder was then retconned into Kosmos
Beyonder was then retconned into the "Beyonder essence" within Kosmos, which can collapse the Multi-verse if it dies.
Beyonder was then retconned into the Maker, (a Mortal from that could implode the Universe with a thought) but it went crazy in it's Mortal shell and it became extremely vulnerable, later it was incapacitated and comotosed by Thanos, but the Maker still lives, with the "Beyonder essence" inside.
well, in my oppinion after reading all of the HOTU comics i believe that thanos had no reason to look outside of the multiverse to the other realms since all of the beings that were attacking him were in the plane of reality (the multiverse)..... and though warlock implied that neither he nor death were absorbed because they existed in a plane of reality outside the multiverse, he didnt say that thanos could not have absorbed them had he wanted to, that is just what kept them safe during thanos's rampage
Originally posted by galan7777777
well, in my oppinion after reading all of the HOTU comics i believe that thanos had no reason to look outside of the multiverse to the other realms since all of the beings that were attacking him were in the plane of reality (the multiverse).....
AFTER Thanos Absorbed ALL the Multiversal THREATS (including the Living Tribunal)
Thanos says,
"For IF this BAND (LT and company) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
Who do you think he's talking about?
WHO are these OTHERS that might be EQUALLY Foolish?
Then Thanos says,
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
WHO else can question his reign if he just ABSORBED the Living Tribunal?
Then Thanos answers himself,
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until...."
Absorbing the Living Tribunal and Eternity was NOT enough, he CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT, Threaten his reign, until...
"Nothing Remained"
pheew...I won't explain that again 😂
Originally posted by galan7777777
and though warlock implied that neither he nor death were absorbed because they existed in a plane of reality outside the multiverse, he didnt say that thanos could not have absorbed them had he wanted to, that is just what kept them safe during thanos's rampage
What I explained up top with the scans.
AFTER Thanos Absorbed LT and the Abstracts (which was his THREAT)
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
Originally posted by Mr Masteryes, nothing that could "threaten his reign" remained. as you said LT and the rest of the abstracts were absorbed (except death)...........so there truly was nothing left which might threaten him, warlock really wouldnt have been a threat has thanos not allowed him to be
AFTER Thanos Absorbed ALL the Multiversal THREATS (including the Living Tribunal)Thanos says,
"For IF this BAND (LT and company) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
Who do you think he's talking about?
WHO are these OTHERS that might be EQUALLY Foolish?
Then Thanos says,
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
WHO else can question his reign if he just ABSORBED the Living Tribunal?
Then Thanos answers himself,
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until...."
Absorbing the Living Tribunal and Eternity was NOT enough, he CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT, Threaten his reign, until...
"Nothing Remained"
pheew...I won't explain that again 😂
What I explained up top with the scans.
AFTER Thanos Absorbed LT and the Abstracts (which was his THREAT)
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
hey mr. master, we are still waiting for your pre ret molecule man & living tribunal respect threads. When are they gonna be up? 😄 😄
With regards to the question, I can only speculate about the DC omniverse coz although PR Beyonder was described as having powers millions that of the Marvel Universe, DC is a different company with different hierarchy & powers. And DC has the penchant of exaggerating powers(remember Anti-life as having destroyed trillions of universes)
As I could recall, the Omniverse was only revealed years after the Beyonder's retcon. True, I share the idea that PR Beyonder is THE MOST POWERFUL fictional being created by Marvel(Nonfictional beings include TOAA as Kirby, Mr. Marvel(God?)as Stan Lee himself) but because of the timeline(editorial) involved it would only be open to speculation. The only thing provable, if the Beyonder wasn't retconned, he would kick the ass of all the powers in the Marvel Multiverse(Pre-Omniverse).
It wasent "a million universes".
It was millions (plural, more than one) of times the rest (Living Tribunal, Eternity ect.) the Multi-verse (not universe) combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg
Originally posted by galan7777777
yes, nothing that could "threaten his reign" remained. as you said LT and the rest of the abstracts were absorbed (except death)
Yea,
Before, I also used to think Thanos had absorbed only what he wanted to absorb.
But after a closer examination, I realized Thanos Absorbed ALL he could.
Originally posted by galan7777777
...........so there truly was nothing left which might threaten him,
There was Nothing left...period.
Thanos Absorbed the entire Multi-verse, where Universe 616 is located.
But there is an infinite number of other Multiverses in Marvel, but most of these are never and have never been explored.
Originally posted by galan7777777
[B warlock really wouldnt have been a threat has thanos not allowed him to be [/B]
Warlock was never a threat, regardless.
Warlock survived because he was in a Realm, Thanos could NOT reach. (Outside of Space and Time)
Originally posted by dbayin46
hey mr. master, we are still waiting for your pre ret molecule man & living tribunal respect threads. When are they gonna be up?
I almost have every appearance made by LT, a few issues to go, then I'll be ready to make a full blown respect thread.
I believe I have ALL Molecule Man appearances, and will get that running as soon as finish LT's.
Originally posted by dbayin46
With regards to the question, I can only speculate about the DC omniverse coz although PR Beyonder was described as having powers millions that of the Marvel Universe,
Millions that of the Multi-verse actually.
Originally posted by dbayin46
DC is a different company with different hierarchy & powers. And DC has the penchant of exaggerating powers(remember Anti-life as having destroyed trillions of universes)
That was an exaggeration by mouth and On Panel.
Dr Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen, trapped the ALE in it's own dimension for EVER.
"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"
the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"
Forget about "trillion of universes"
Originally posted by dbayin46
The only thing provable, if the Beyonder wasn't retconned, he would kick the ass of all the powers in the Marvel Multiverse(Pre-Omniverse).
Definitely.
Beyonder is the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.
This basically equals to the Presence of DC (in Power)
Originally posted by Mr Master
I almost have every appearance made by LT, a few issues to go, then I'll be ready to make a full blown respect thread.I believe I have ALL Molecule Man appearances, and will get that running as soon as finish LT's.
Millions that of the Multi-verse actually.
That was an exaggeration by mouth and On Panel.
Dr Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen, trapped the ALE in it's own dimension for EVER.
"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"
the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"Forget about "trillion of universes"
Definitely.
Beyonder is the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.
This basically equals to the Presence of DC (in Power)
I find it interesting that the ALE is described on panel as having destroyed Trillions of Universes, yet the beyonder is described as millions of times more powerful than the marvel U and it's not exaggerated or Hyperbole. What makes one count ( in the case of the beyonder) and the other not count? Your Equating the beyonder to DC's the presence. And that just isn't so. IT seems to me like your just going off of what you feel to justify ur feelings about the beyonder. Having power and knowing how to use it are two different things. The ALE was indeed powerful enough to destroy trillions of universes. If one piece of it in the hands of Darkseid could destroy and remake the DCU. Ur interpretation of how the ALE was defeated is thru a tainted lense. You see what you want to see so that the beyonder can hold up to the most powerful being ever in comics in ur eyes. IN the eyes of those reading the comic from an objective stand point, the ALE was sentient, but Not highly intelligent. If it were, It would have simply erased fate and company. It was nothing more than an enormous Ameoba( did I spell that right) attacking intruders who were messing with it's plans. Had the ALE been as Smart as fate, it would complete own every thing in the DCU and beyond. I wager that Metron or DR. Fate or Darksied with the Full power of the ALE would be a worthy match for the PRe Retconned beyonder. And he wouldn't be able to Defeat them.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I find it interesting that the ALE is described on panel as having destroyed Trillions of Universes, yet the beyonder is described as millions of times more powerful than the marvel U and it's not exaggerated or Hyperbole. What makes one count ( in the case of the beyonder) and the other not count?
Well feats for one 😬
Plus it took only a few guys to beat it(seal it).
The WHOLE marvel univese couldnt stop the beyonder.
about the trillions thing....It has also been said that hulk is the strongest there is, but that isnt true.
The ALE was indeed powerful enough to destroy trillions of universes. If one piece of it in the hands of Darkseid could destroy and remake the DCU.
Darkseid said that. He actually never showed he could.
the ALE was sentient, but Not highly intelligent. If it were, It would have simply erased fate and company. It was nothing more than an enormous Ameoba( did I spell that right) attacking intruders who were messing with it's plans. Had the ALE been as Smart as fate, it would complete own every thing in the DCU and beyond.
It was smart enough to be planning its escape for quite a long while.
I wager that Metron or DR. Fate or Darksied with the Full power of the ALE would be a worthy match for the PRe Retconned beyonder. And he wouldn't be able to Defeat them.
on panel feats puts the ALE's power probably equal to the Ultimate nullifier.
In feats the infinity gauntlet > ALE.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Well feats for one 😬
Plus it took only a few guys to beat it(seal it).
The WHOLE marvel univese couldnt stop the beyonder.
about the trillions thing....It has also been said that hulk is the strongest there is, but that isnt true.Darkseid said that. He actually never showed he could.
It was smart enough to be planning its escape for quite a long while.
on panel feats puts the ALE's power probably equal to the Ultimate nullifier.
In feats the infinity gauntlet > ALE.
Not even. The ALE is waaay more powerful than Mr. Mxy and Mr. Mxy can do anything the IG can. So um no. That doesn't work for me. And if The ALE was so smart, it wouldn't have taken it millenia to escape. Metron can pierce universal barriers like it's nothing. Becuz of his knowlege. I'm not buying what your saying. It just seems like you truly see what you want to see. by character description, The ALE and the PRe ret con beyonder are pretty close in power. If we are going by on panel feats, the most powerful being ever is Krona. But We can't go by on panel only. Cuz the comics would be hundreds of pages long trying to show every thing on panel. that is why there are narrative boxes and character commentary. It was done this way to describe the beyonder, and it was done this way to describe the ALE.
Originally posted by Mr Masteryeah, that sounds right....... and can u clear something up for me, during the series where thanos abtains THOTU everyone says he absorbed the multiverse, but nowhere in the books does it say he absorbed the multiverse, in fact thanos says to warlock "only you could somehow miss the end of the UNIVERSE" and later on the same page thanos says "and that is how the UNIVERSE came to an end" what do u make of this?
Yea,Before, I also used to think Thanos had absorbed only what he wanted to absorb.
But after a closer examination, I realized Thanos Absorbed ALL he could.
There was Nothing left...period.
Thanos Absorbed the entire Multi-verse, where Universe 616 is located.
But there is an infinite number of other Multiverses in Marvel, but most of these are never and have never been explored.
Warlock was never a threat, regardless.
Warlock survived because he was in a Realm, Thanos could NOT reach. (Outside of Space and Time)
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[B]Not even. The ALE is waaay more powerful than Mr. Mxy and Mr. Mxy can do anything the IG can.
prove it.
I'm not buying what your saying. It just seems like you truly see what you want to see.
I dont see what i want to see. Im basing my opinions on actual panel feats. Unlike you. I can write " I can fly" on a peice of paper, but that does not make it so until you see proof.
Originally posted by Inhuman
prove it.I dont see what i want to see. Im basing my opinions on actual panel feats. Unlike you. I can write " I can fly" on a peice of paper, but that does not make it so until you see proof.
Did not the joker pretty much turn the DCU on it's ear with the power of the IMP? He was only limited by his limited understanding of the IMP power. So yeah, Mr. Mxy can do anything the IG can.
