Classic Beyonder and -Molecule man versus DC and Marvel Omniverses.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I find it interesting that the ALE is described on panel as having destroyed Trillions of Universes, yet the beyonder is described as millions of times more powerful than the marvel U and it's not exaggerated or Hyperbole.

First of all, that has never been said. (If it has, show me where, or point me in the direction, I'll look it up myself, otherwise, it's you talking) shit

Secondly, it was NOT a Character (like Darkseid) making that claim, it was the Writer himself,
plus it was On Panel with ARTWORK depicting Beyonder's ENERGY/POWER (Millions of Times the Multiverse Combined) flowing into him.

SEE the FLOW of Energy/Power...NOT just words.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What makes one count ( in the case of the beyonder) and the other not count?

Well lets see,

Beyonder CREATED On Panel a Universe roughly 22 Quintillion times Bigger than 616 Universe.

While the ALE was TRAPPED in it's Dimension for EVER, by Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your Equating the beyonder to DC's the presence

Beyonder is the most powerful character ever in Marvel

The Presence is the most powerful in DC

Makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT seems to me like your just going off of what you feel to justify ur feelings about the beyonder.

On Panel FEATS mixed with logic, define my opinions.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The ALE was indeed powerful enough to destroy trillions of universes.

hysterical2

How can I ever take you seriously.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If one piece of it in the hands of Darkseid could destroy and remake the DCU.

Darkseid has NEVER destroyed and remade the DCU with ONE, or a Million pieces of ALE.

You moving from ignorance to bullshit

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur interpretation of how the ALE was defeated is thru a tainted lense. You see what you want to see so that the beyonder can hold up to the most powerful being ever in comics in ur eyes.

So, you don't see Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen in the above scan Trapping the ALE for EVER?

If not, you trully are the biggest Fanboy ever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IN the eyes of those reading the comic from an objective stand point, the ALE was sentient, but Not highly intelligent.

Continue with this gibberish all you want,

NEVER in the series is it mentioned that the ALE was of a lower intelligence, INFACT,

The ALE displayed an extreme degree of intelligence,

Here, amongst many other FEATS of intelligence by the ALE

JUST an Aspect of the ALE figured out Green Lantern's weakness within an Hour



John Stewart was in absolute shock, that the ALE Aspect could do that.

Go read comics.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If it were, It would have simply erased fate and company.

This just proves that it wasn't as powerful as you made it out to be.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was nothing more than an enormous Ameoba( did I spell that right) attacking intruders who were messing with it's plans.

Again, not only are you talking out your ass, but your making stuff up at the same time.

Luckily for you, this Forum is tolerant of such behaviour.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Had the ALE been as Smart as fate, it would complete own every thing in the DCU and beyond. I wager that Metron or DR. Fate or Darksied with the Full power of the ALE would be a worthy match for the PRe Retconned beyonder. And he wouldn't be able to Defeat them.

sign23

Your obtuseness demands it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
First of all, that has never been said. (If it has, show me where, or point me in the direction, I'll look it up myself, otherwise, it's you talking) shit

Secondly, it was NOT a Character (like Darkseid) making that claim, it was the Writer himself,
plus it was On Panel with ARTWORK depicting Beyonder's ENERGY/POWER (Millions of Times the Multiverse Combined) flowing into him.

SEE the FLOW of Energy/Power...NOT just words.

Well lets see,

Beyonder CREATED On Panel a Universe roughly 22 Quintillion times Bigger than 616 Universe.

While the ALE was TRAPPED in it's Dimension for EVER, by Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Beyonder is the most powerful character ever in Marvel

The Presence is the most powerful in DC

Makes perfect sense.

On Panel FEATS mixed with logic, define my opinions.

hysterical2

How can I ever take you seriously.

Darkseid has NEVER destroyed and remade the DCU with ONE, or a Million pieces of ALE.

You moving from ignorance to bullshit

So, you don't see Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen in the above scan Trapping the ALE for EVER?

If not, you trully are the biggest Fanboy ever.

Continue with this gibberish all you want,

NEVER in the series is it mentioned that the ALE was of a lower intelligence, INFACT,

The ALE displayed an extreme degree of intelligence,

Here, amongst many other FEATS of intelligence by the ALE

JUST an Aspect of the ALE figured out Green Lantern's weakness within an Hour



John Stewart was in absolute shock, that the ALE Aspect could do that.

Go read comics.

This just proves that it wasn't as powerful as you made it out to be.

Again, not only are you talking out your ass, but your making stuff up at the same time.

Luckily for you, this Forum is tolerant of such behaviour.

sign23

Your obtuseness demands it.

ur entire debate is riddled with ur take on things and in no way concrete. and your perfect sense is urs and urs alone. It does not make perfect sense to me that you equate the presence with the beyonder. So no, it does not make perfect sense. it makes sense to you, but to me, nothing can equal god, but God. TOAA is Marvel's God is equal to the presence. The pre ret con beyonder is not equal to DC's God. As far as the ALE, it was no where as intelligent as Fate or Darkseid. You are using what you want to see. It being trapped has no baring on it's power lvls. Superboy prime is trapped in a cube. That does all of a sudden negate his power lvls? Or what if thor were banished to the negative zone and he didnt' know how to get back to the marvel u? Does he all of sudden become less powerful? I'm using logic in it's most basic form. And just becuz fate says the threat is forve ended, do we take his word for it? I remember someone on this forum sayign we couldn't take darkseid's words about his own avatars, So why then should we all of a suddent take fate's word's that the threat of The ALE is forver ended?

Originally posted by Inhuman
on panel feats puts the ALE's power probably equal to the Ultimate nullifier.
In feats the infinity gauntlet > ALE.

I don't think so.

UN Erased the Multi-verse and Remade it in an instant.

ALE is definitely MORE powerful than a Universe (Fate and Company were able to destroy a Universe, and the ALE was still more powerful.

But, since Fate and company succeeded in holding off the ALE long enough for them to escape, I put it beneath the UN.

ALE is Multiversal (in the sense that it's more powerful than ONE Universe), but it gave no signs of being able to Erase the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
First of all, that has never been said. (If it has, show me where, or point me in the direction, I'll look it up myself, otherwise, it's you talking) shit

Secondly, it was NOT a Character (like Darkseid) making that claim, it was the Writer himself,
plus it was On Panel with ARTWORK depicting Beyonder's ENERGY/POWER (Millions of Times the Multiverse Combined) flowing into him.

SEE the FLOW of Energy/Power...NOT just words.

Well lets see,

Beyonder CREATED On Panel a Universe roughly 22 Quintillion times Bigger than 616 Universe.

While the ALE was TRAPPED in it's Dimension for EVER, by Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"

the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

Beyonder is the most powerful character ever in Marvel

The Presence is the most powerful in DC

Makes perfect sense.

On Panel FEATS mixed with logic, define my opinions.

hysterical2

How can I ever take you seriously.

Darkseid has NEVER destroyed and remade the DCU with ONE, or a Million pieces of ALE.

You moving from ignorance to bullshit

So, you don't see Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion and Etrigen in the above scan Trapping the ALE for EVER?

If not, you trully are the biggest Fanboy ever.

Continue with this gibberish all you want,

NEVER in the series is it mentioned that the ALE was of a lower intelligence, INFACT,

The ALE displayed an extreme degree of intelligence,

Here, amongst many other FEATS of intelligence by the ALE

JUST an Aspect of the ALE figured out Green Lantern's weakness within an Hour



John Stewart was in absolute shock, that the ALE Aspect could do that.

Go read comics.

This just proves that it wasn't as powerful as you made it out to be.

Again, not only are you talking out your ass, but your making stuff up at the same time.

Luckily for you, this Forum is tolerant of such behaviour.

sign23

Your obtuseness demands it.

Dude this is like Super Bowl XXIV when the 49ers smoked the broncos 55-10, and Mr. Master is Joe Montana. I respect you Mr. Master you know wha the hell you are talking about and you back it up with prof/scans. ALE isn't all that got beat by four beings that are below abstracts level Entrigan/Darkseid/Orion/Dr. Fate, IG has more feats and so does the UN, hell the Makers will b***h slap ALE entity with a gesture.

Mr. Master your the man, keep on putting the pimp hamd on his candy ass. 😉

It's really simple. He can put scans up, and since he is backing up more popular characters, he is the man. But all of his post say things like, I put the ALE under the UN. and what he thinks. It's all subjective and I happen to be in disagreement. You Darkone can hold his jock all you want. it still doesn't change the fact that he is using his own interpretation of the events, which do not coincide with mine. according to mr master, DC is not equal in power to marvel. becuz every single thing that is powerful in marvel is more powerful than every power in dc.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ur entire debate is riddled with ur take on things and in no way concrete. and your perfect sense is urs and urs alone.

makes sense to me and im sure others see it as well.

I don't think so.

UN Erased the Multi-verse and Remade it in an instant.

ALE is definitely MORE powerful than a Universe (Fate and Company were able to destroy a Universe, and the ALE was still more powerful.

But, since Fate and company succeeded in holding off the ALE long enough for them to escape, I put it beneath the UN.

ALE is Multiversal (in the sense that it's more powerful than ONE Universe), but it gave no signs of being able to Erase the Multi-verse.

I stand corrected 👆

And who said Fate, or Darkseid, or high father were barely sky father lvl beings? They all have showings that put them much higher than sky father in power. If the entire story is read with a subjective eye, then one can tell that the ale could have obliterated them at any time. you guys take story thematics and drama that serve to put the heroes in dire situation and then show them as coming out on top, as if that makes the threat any less than it actually was. If you don't take the thematic approach into context when you read the story, you will over estimate some characters whom you like, and find it very easily to severly under estimate any character that you dont' want to be equal or better to ur favorite character.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, that sounds right....... and can u clear something up for me, during the series where thanos abtains THOTU everyone says he absorbed the multiverse, but nowhere in the books does it say he absorbed the multiverse, in fact thanos says to warlock "only you could somehow miss the end of the UNIVERSE" and later on the same page thanos says "and that is how the UNIVERSE came to an end" what do u make of this?

They refer to it as the Universe, but it's the Multi-verse.

Sometimes ALL Eternity (the Multi-verse) is titled the Universe.

Here's an example:

Roma Oversees the Entire Multi-verse personally,

And the Omni-verse with her Father Merlin.

Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity (the Multi-verse)

"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"

Roma calls the being she tends to, "Eternity" (which is ONE Universe) but we all know she tends to Multi-Eternity, the Multi-verse

One more example:

When Captain Universe showed Reed and Druid the TRUE Origin of the Universe prior to 616, that later became the Multi-verse, he calls it Multi-Eternity, then in the next panel, he says, with in "ALL the Eternity the UNIVERSE is a place of chaos".....

So sometimes you might see the word Universe or Eternity, but it's the storyline that defines who they are exactly.

For instance,

if you didn't read the whole Abraxas arc, and you reach the end when they erase Eternity, you wouldn't know that was the Multi-verse unless you knew the complete storyline.

Originally posted by Mr Master
They refer to it as the Universe, but it's the Multi-verse.

Sometimes ALL Eternity (the Multi-verse) is titled the Universe.

Here's an example:

Roma Oversees the Entire Multi-verse personally,

And the Omni-verse with her Father Merlin.

Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity (the Multi-verse)

"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"

Roma calls the being she tends to, "Eternity" (which is ONE Universe) but we all know she tends to Multi-Eternity, the Multi-verse

One more example:

When Captain Universe showed Reed and Druid the TRUE Origin of the Universe prior to 616, that later became the Multi-verse, he calls it Multi-Eternity, then in the next panel, he says, with in "ALL the Eternity the UNIVERSE is a place of chaos".....

So sometimes you might see the word Universe or Eternity, but it's the storyline that defines who they are exactly.

For instance,

if you didn't read the whole Abraxas arc, and you reach the end when they erase Eternity, you wouldn't know that was the Multi-verse unless you knew the complete storyline.

Ok so here, it's ok to use subjectivity. I'm beggining to see and understand things more and more now.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ur entire debate is riddled with ur take on things and in no way concrete. and your perfect sense is urs and urs alone. It does not make perfect sense to me that you equate the presence with the beyonder. So no, it does not make perfect sense. it makes sense to you, but to me, nothing can equal god, but God. TOAA is Marvel's God is equal to the presence. The pre ret con beyonder is not equal to power lvls? Or what if thor were banished to the negative zone and he didnt' know how to get back to the marvel u? Does he all of sudden become less powerful? I'm using logic in it's most basic form. And just becuz fate says the threat is forve ended, do we take his word for it? I remember someone on this forum sayign we couldn't take darkseid's words about his own avatars, So why then should we all of a suddent take fate's word's that the threat of The ALE is forver ended?

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And who said Fate, or Darkseid, or high father were barely sky father lvl beings? They all have showings that put them much higher than sky father in power.

Dude, even if they had ALL been Skyfathers,

They would still be less than a dust mite to IG or UN.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If the entire story is read with a subjective eye, then one can tell that the ale could have obliterated them at any time. you guys take story thematics and drama that serve to put the heroes in dire situation and then show them as coming out on top, as if that makes the threat any less than it actually was. If you don't take the thematic approach into context when you read the story, you will over estimate some characters whom you like, and find it very easily to severly under estimate any character that you dont' want to be equal or better to ur favorite character.

😴

Originally posted by the Darkone
Dude this is like Super Bowl XXIV when the 49ers smoked the broncos 55-10, and Mr. Master is Joe Montana.

😂

Thanx on the rest.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok so here, it's ok to use subjectivity.

What subjectivity?

This has nothing to do with your fantastical take on the ALE.

What we're discussing is On Panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What subjectivity?

This has nothing to do with your fantastical take on the ALE.

What we're discussing is On Panel.

You mean like on panel how the beyonder never actually beat the LT or Eternity. That's what you mean? WHen I bring up the power krona had on panel, you dismiss it. the same with the anti monitor. i'm tired. forget it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ur entire debate is riddled with ur take on things and in no way concrete. and your perfect sense is urs and urs alone.

By the way, I like how you completely ignore what proves you wrong.

Realize how you didn't even mention the ALE being of limited intelligence again.

You simply ignore that, and keep on ranting gibberish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
By the way, I like how you completely ignore what proves you wrong.

Realize how you didn't even mention the ALE being of limited intelligence again.

You simply ignore that, and keep on ranting gibberish.

OK, I was going to leave this alone and be content to agree to disagree(which I will do after this post, seeing as how pretty much all the evidence is out on the table, and it now comes down to how people choose to interpret that evidence), but I just now thought of something. OK here goes, Eternity is the representation of time right? And Infinity is the representation of space, right. Well, BOTH were present when Thanos went nuts absorbing stuff. Think about it, they call Eternity 'HE Who Is Forever', and Infinity 'She Who Is All', so by absorbing them, Thanos absorbed time and space, and everything that existed within them. So couldn't that be why everything that was outside time and space wasn't absorbed, the representations of such, weren't present.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You mean like on panel how the beyonder never actually beat the LT or Eternity.

LT?

Beyonder Erased Death, that would cause a MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE

That's exactly when the Living Tribunal is supposed to INTERFERE, and he didn't.

On the Eternity note:

Beyonder CREATED from scrath a UNIVERSE 22 Quintillion times Bigger than the 616 Universe (Eternity) with LIFE and the whole nine.

A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

There are 22 QUINTILLION Drops of Water in the Ocean, according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography (Look it up, if you don't believe)

"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"

"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED"

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean (or 22 Quintillion times SMALLER)

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"

Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That's what you mean? WHen I bring up the power krona had on panel, you dismiss it.

Company crossovers are not canon, and even if they were, they're inconsequential in vs forums.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the same with the anti monitor

This is a lie, I never downed AM's feat of destroying nearly every Universe in DC, I know he did it On Panel, I have the issues.

Unlike the ALE, which has NEVER shown On Panel that kind of power, except to be twarted by 5 individuals that are NOWHERE NEAR the top of the hierarchy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I still think the ALE has limited intelligence. A freaking Dog can figure out weak points. Doesn't make it as smart as a man. I ingored what you wrote in that regards becuz you see it the way you want to, and no amount of me debating you will change your mind. THat is why I ignore certain things. U have ur mind made up. So why bother. Youdint' prove me wrong. you never proved that the ale was as smart as fate or darkseid did you? No you didn't. and that was the basis of my entire argument. so why bother with ur limited answer when it didn't really adress my entire point.

I see him basing his opinion on actual feats he reads/sees in comics.
I dont see him stating opinions out his ass. He tried to show you over and over again what he is talking about via scans after scan but you still dont get it.
Your opinions on the other hand are mostly what you think certain characters(in this case the ALE) powers should be.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT?

Beyonder Erased Death, that would cause a MULTIVERSAL INBALANCE

That's exactly when the Living Tribunal is supposed to INTERFERE, and he didn't.

On the Eternity note:

Beyonder CREATED from scrath a UNIVERSE 22 Quintillion times Bigger than the 616 Universe (Eternity) with LIFE and the whole nine.

A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

There are 22 QUINTILLION Drops of Water in the Ocean, according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography (Look it up, if you don't believe)

"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"

"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED"

"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"

"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"

Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean (or 22 Quintillion times SMALLER)

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"

Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"

Company crossovers are not canon, and even if they were, they're inconsequential in vs forums.

This is a lie, I never downed AM's feat of destroying nearly every Universe in DC, I know he did it On Panel, I have the issues.

Unlike the ALE, which has NEVER shown On Panel that kind of power, except to be twarted by 5 individuals that are NOWHERE NEAR the top of the hierarchy.

Who says that they aren't near the top.and let's be clear, it wasn't thier power times five. they were in fact much greater than the sum of thier parts. kinda like the Ifinity gems. Each powerful but waaay more when joined. Darkseid and highfather together can balance the source. Them two alone when together are infinitely more powerful than them seperate. you see how I read things? how I interpret things? I take into accoutn every thing I read about DC cosmics and put them in perspective.