Current Cap Marvel vs Darkseid

What makes you think Darkseid can't beat Doomsday? He essentially HAD him beaten with a single blast. He had enough time to stroll over to DD's body, make a speech, heat some rubble until it was molten as a tomb, and walk away. Doomsday didn't get up until after the molten rubble had fully solidified -- a process that logically takes at least a minute. Looks to me like a single Darkseid force blast that wasn't even point blank range incapacitated DD for over a minute:

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The last three scans are panels seperated, just to showcase my point regarding how long he was down. Anywho, DD likewise took him out with a sneak attack.

All that really proves is that if DD has an opening and surprise, he can take out someone of Darkseid's durability. Something that I never questioned. OTOH, it also shows one Darkseid blast can incapacitate Doomsday. In a real fight, if DS can incapacitate him with a single good blast from afar, how would Doomsday even make it to him to land an attack?

Anyhow, the avatar retcon:

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

Why should I show you scans when you refuse to show me yours?

Originally posted by badabing
Sorry, you'll have to show me scans. It's only your opinion until you do. 😱 😆

It doesnt make spacific refference to the Doomsday fight.

Originally posted by badabing
Sorry, you'll have to show me scans. It's only your opinion until you do. 😱 😆

Originally posted by David_Richards
It doesnt make spacific refference to the Doomsday fight.

One thing.
How does this retcon every one of his losses?
How does this show how powerful that Avatar is?
How does this show how powerful the real Darky is?
It doesn't, it just says, he has used this talent more than once.
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg

lol I prove you wrong in another thread and you cant debate logcially in this one?

Originally posted by David_Richards
Okay no one has yet shown me a scan spacifically saying it wasnt Darkseid that Doomsday fought.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Sorry unless you can prove it with scans its just your opinion.

Originally posted by badabing
Sorry, you'll have to show me scans. It's only your opinion until you do. 😱 😆

Originally posted by badabing
LOL, as long as you're reading this I'm happy.

Originally posted by David_Richards
and you dont get that as logn as your reading Im happy.

Originally posted by David_Richards
lol I prove you wrong in another thread and you cant debate logcially in this one?

It doesn't make a specific reference to any fight, but it does state that Darkseid in his true form has never lost before, whereas his avatars have.

"They are so much weaker than his true form that they can even be beaten in battle, if the opponent is strong enough."

I don't see what possible interpretation you could have for that quote other than that the avatars can and have lost, whereas Darkseid in his true form hasn't (and doesn't yet beleive he can, physically)

If classic Captain Marvel is Superman's equal and Superman beat DS when he was near the sun. I think that Captain Marvel with Shazams powers (which CM stated Makes his powers at least 100 fold) could defeat DS. Why because SM near the sun isn't close to current CM IMO.

Originally posted by D-Block
If classic Captain Marvel is Superman's equal and Superman beat DS when he was near the sun. I think that Captain Marvel with Shazams powers (which CM stated Makes his powers at least 100 fold) could defeat DS. Why because SM near the sun isn't close to current CM IMO.

Originally posted by badabing
[B]lol I prove you wrong in another thread and you cant debate logcially in this one?

Actaully no, Inmy thread you were being unreasonable and simply spamming so not worth my time to debate.

It doesnt say that EVERY defeat Darkseid has suffered was avatars. You assume that because it fits your beilefs.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I don't see what possible interpretation you could have for that quote other than that the avatars can and have lost, whereas Darkseid in his true form hasn't (and doesn't yet beleive he can, physically)

Yes, it's Darkseid's own words ... But then people accept the Thanos clone retcon, which was Thanos' own words. The only difference is that Darkseid states all his losses were avatars, whereas Thanos takes time to name the specific instances that were clones.

BTW, something about S/B that gets ignored is that it wasn't JUST Superman being powered up -- Darkseid had also just taken a blast intended to kill Supes right in the face. I doubt he was 100% after that. Besides, it came down to strictly a slugfest afterward. That is HIGHLY out of character. I don't see DS slugging it out with CM for a long period of time, especially if he's weakened. Darkseid's normal MO is tossing around energy.

Originally posted by David_Richards
lol I prove you wrong in another thread and you cant debate logcially in this one?

Originally posted by David_Richards

Actaully no, Inmy thread you were being unreasonable and simply spamming so not worth my time to debate.

Darkseid is still a tall order for anybody.

No you were spamming and spouting insults.

Now he doesnt say ALL of his loses were avatars.

Originally posted by badabing
Good point. I'm just waiting to see how well Billy can grasp the full power of Shazam.

Yeah at the end of the Trials#1 his new form looked powerful I want to see what he can do when he cuts loose against a powerful being say Darkseid for instance 😎 .

Originally posted by badabing
Darkseid is still a tall order for anybody.

True. I bet DC won't be putting Superman against Captain Marvel anytime soon or Superman will be getting a powerboost to remain his equal.

Originally posted by D-Block
Yeah at the end of the Trials#1 his new form looked powerful I want to see what he can do when he cuts loose against a powerful being say Darkseid for instance 😎 .