I've read the story those scans are from and I didn't pick up any fear in the context. Darkseid says the Lords were afraid of him but I don't see anywhere where they actually were. And the Lords themselves flatout state that they aren't. Darkseid's grin doesn't suggest that he's even being serious. The story certainly doesn't show any reason for the Lords to be afraid, as the weakest version of Dr.Fate at only half power is able to handle Darkseid in it.
As for Shazam's power, Highfather treats Shazam with respect as a person but I don't know about as a peer in terms of power. Given their history together I don't see how Highfather could believe Shazam was as powerful as him. Highfather was the very person Shazam was speaking to when he explained how his godhood is unlike any power he'd ever felt before. For that matter I'm pretty sure I remember it being Highfather himself who personally gave Shazam the power as a present.
Originally posted by D-Block
If classic Captain Marvel is Superman's equal and Superman beat DS when he was near the sun. I think that Captain Marvel with Shazams powers (which CM stated Makes his powers at least 100 fold) could defeat DS. Why because SM near the sun isn't close to current CM IMO.
agreed
Originally posted by Khem-Adam
Shazam isn't a Lord of Order. He's a human wizard who was given powers by gods. Power that was well below the Lords at that. What issue are you reading?
Shazam is a lord of order
Lords of Order
The most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu, who empowered and occasionally possessed various humans through the Helm of Nabu and acted as Doctor Fate. Originally, Doctor Fate was depicted as an agent for Order (the forces of Good). When the standings of the sides were revised, Fate's role was changed so that he became a balancing force between Order and Chaos. The God Tynan from Darkworld was also a balancer. (Nabu is named after a god from Babylonian mythology and in the DC Universe was perhaps meant to be one and the same.)
Lords of Order:
Amethyst
Arion
Deedra
Gemimn (from Darkworld)
Jheryl
Kilderkin
Nabu
The wizard Shazam
Terataya
Agents of Order:
Doctor Fate (Kent/Inza Nelson and later Eric/Linda Strauss)
Dove (Don Hall and later Dawn Granger)
The Gray Man
Djinn
Originally posted by D-Block
Shazam is a lord of orderLords of Order
The most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu, who empowered and occasionally possessed various humans through the Helm of Nabu and acted as Doctor Fate. Originally, Doctor Fate was depicted as an agent for Order (the forces of Good). When the standings of the sides were revised, Fate's role was changed so that he became a balancing force between Order and Chaos. The God Tynan from Darkworld was also a balancer. (Nabu is named after a god from Babylonian mythology and in the DC Universe was perhaps meant to be one and the same.)Lords of Order:
Amethyst
Arion
Deedra
Gemimn (from Darkworld)
Jheryl
Kilderkin
Nabu
The wizard Shazam
Terataya
Agents of Order:Doctor Fate (Kent/Inza Nelson and later Eric/Linda Strauss)
Dove (Don Hall and later Dawn Granger)
The Gray Man
Djinn
That's a wikipedia entry. Shazam was a human being.
Originally posted by Khem-Adam
I've read the story those scans are from and I didn't pick up any fear in the context. Darkseid says the Lords were afraid of him but I don't see anywhere where they actually were.
1. The Lords of Chaos state that The Lords of Order are lying and "fear darkness most of all" ... They also don't object to Darkseid's claim
2. The Lords of Chaos slink back from the fight they picked with The Lords of Order when Darkseid yells for them to be quiet.
And the Lords themselves flatout state that they aren't.
They did, but then The Lords of Chaos stated they were lying.
Darkseid's grin doesn't suggest that he's even being serious. The story certainly doesn't show any reason for the Lords to be afraid, as the weakest version of Dr.Fate at only half power is able to handle Darkseid in it.
Linda did stagger Darkseid with a breif blast combo, but a large part of that was her being so determined and DS underestimating her. In the same comic, she and Eric struggled against Para-Demons.
Also notice, once they've defeated the Para-Demons, Darkseid breifly emtombes them both, and leaves them "weakened" and "wounded" with a mere gesture. It was obvious he was much more powerful.
In any event, this is irrelevent given that it was retconned into being Desaad that they fought. In fact, that backs up the case further. Two half-powered Fates were struggling against Desaad in Darkseid's form -- and the next time Desaad shows up, where Darkseid points this out, Desaad is scared as hell of him.
For another comparison, Dr. Fate was virtually useless against The Kilg%re, but Darkseid nearly destroyed it with "anti-energy" blasts.
As for Shazam's power, Highfather treats Shazam with respect as a person but I don't know about as a peer in terms of power. Given their history together I don't see how Highfather could believe Shazam was as powerful as him. Highfather was the very person Shazam was speaking to when he explained how his godhood is unlike any power he'd ever felt before.
I'm pretty sure this never happened. Mr. Miracle with the Alpha Force asked SHAZAM to remove his Godhood, but that's it.
For that matter I'm pretty sure I remember it being Highfather himself who personally gave Shazam the power as a present.
From what I've heard, SHAZAM had lost his power and became a normal human up until Alpha-Force Mr. Miracle gave his power to SHAZAM. Given that Highfather easily blocked a blast from Alpha Force Mr. Miracle ...
Anywho, I think it's clear that the members of The Quintessence are roughly equal in power. In fact, as was pointed out, all of them including SHAZAM fell to Emperor Joker's control before Darkseid did.
Honestly, I think Billy was speaking in hyperbole in 52. Given how SHAZAM lost to a hostless Spectre even with his artifacts helping him, or likewise got incapacitated by Johnny Sorrow's stare (which Captain Atom remained conscious from), I don't see how that could be true. In fact, when CM was stated to have "all the wizard's power" for a brief time in Virtue and Vice, while he did KO Wonder Woman with one hit, you'd expect the hit would've killed her if he was really amped X100.