Originally posted by rotiart
Your thread?I think these threads belong more to guys like Tron and Paolo.
and as for making it exciting.. theres nothing exciting about it. You get off on being universally panned as having biased viewpoints...
as far as "your threads" you constantly bring up the dc vs. marvel arguement... so we go in there to watch as you drop the soap for us.
I don't really go in there to argue the threads. I just like watching you get torn to shreds now. its a new hobby of mine. Much like playing DND or making movies... or writing.
Honestly, I think Spidey KOing Firelord with a speed-blitz is more in line with continuity than She-Hulk hurting her hand on Surfer. Spidey's hurt many upper level bricks with wear-downs before. How often does a Herald sit there and take a hit from someone like She-Hulk unaffected?
Again, how are people saying Wonder Girl is faster? She didn't even seem faster than Ravager. Her straight line speed may be greater, but her combat speed most assuredely is not. Spidey's much faster in battle. His webbing's also held people in her league of strength before. As for Artemis, she's nowhere near the New God Kanto in skill. Spidey has experience facing more skilled foes. IMO, Namor is more skilled than WG.
Originally posted by lando005
no comment i see
Originally posted by rotiart
venom and carnage.. fire and sonics.. ie.. PIS.spiderman beating firelord... um... she-hulk almost broke her hand trying to punch surfer... and she is easily leagues stronger than spiderman... and both being heralds would have equivalent durabilities...
SP vs FL is PIS. if spiderman had the unipower... or venom suit.. i could see it... but he nearly breaks his hands hitting guys like rhino and hulk.. its pis that he would hit a more durable guy and win the fight more easily.
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all like bran said all of the examples you pointed out are either pis or smvsfl which are not aloud on this forum.
What about all the other high tier bricks Spider man beats? Hell most of his bad guys are stronger than him. Cassie just doesn't have the concentration to beat such a well experienced foe like spiderman. Hell we haven't even seen cassie use a sword enough to know if the sword is goign to do her any good.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Honestly, I think Spidey KOing Firelord with a speed-blitz is more in line with continuity than She-Hulk hurting her hand on Surfer. Spidey's hurt many upper level bricks with wear-downs before. How often does a Herald sit there and take a hit from someone like She-Hulk unaffected?Again, how are people saying Wonder Girl is faster? She didn't even seem faster than Ravager. Her straight line speed may be greater, but her combat speed most assuradely is not. Spidey's much faster in battle. His webbing's also held people in her league of strength before. As for Artemis, she's nowhere near the New God Kanto in skill. Spidey has experience facing more skilled foes. IMO, Namor is more skilled than WG.
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She wasn't even trying with against Ravager if she used her full speed against her ravger would have died in a second.
Pre oyl she had been shown to fly a little ove rthe speed of sound
when she got her power boost Ares told her that she would be faster and stronger than she evr was before.
Meaning alot faster then Spiderman
Anyone who can stalemate Superboy and manhandle superman robots ( she manged to defelect heat vison at point blank range against the robot which Donna troy wasn't even able to d by the way) can very eaislly beat spiderman.
i think experiance is a huge factor here she could have been trained by every hero in dc does that mean she's always going to fight just like she was told? no her personality is still a factor here and we all know how irritating spidy can get in a fight it wasnt part of his gameplan in the begining but spidys got a way of getting to people and causing them to make mistakes
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What about all the other high tier bricks Spider man beats? Hell most of his bad guys are stronger than him. Cassie just doesn't have the concentration to beat such a well experienced foe like spiderman. Hell we haven't even seen cassie use a sword enough to know if the sword is goign to do her any good.
she wastrained by artemis and diana both expert swordmasters you really think they didn't teach anything about sword wielding.
and concetration
she's been able to keep her emotions in check while fighting he rown boyfriend.
Wondergirl isn't a inexperienced hero shes been in the game for awhile.
Originally posted by lando005
i think experiance is a huge factor here she could have been trained by every hero in dc does that mean she's always going to fight just like she was told? no her personality is still a factor here and we all know how irritating spidy can get in a fight it wasnt part of his gameplan in the begining but spidys got a way of getting to people and causing them to make mistakes
he won't have time to annoy her she is way faster then him.
it will be over before he even notices it
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Honestly, I think Spidey KOing Firelord with a speed-blitz is more in line with continuity than She-Hulk hurting her hand on Surfer. Spidey's hurt many upper level bricks with wear-downs before. How often does a Herald sit there and take a hit from someone like She-Hulk unaffected?Again, how are people saying Wonder Girl is faster? She didn't even seem faster than Ravager. Her straight line speed may be greater, but her combat speed most assuredely is not. Spidey's much faster in battle. His webbing's also held people in her league of strength before. As for Artemis, she's nowhere near the New God Kanto in skill. Spidey has experience facing more skilled foes. IMO, Namor is more skilled than WG.
Didn't Venom and Rhino both break through the webbing before... and doctor octopus.. whos arms are only in the 20 ton range... cassie is so much stronger than that.. i imagine spiderman fighting cassie to him fighting a rhino... who was of average intelligence... with some battle savy.. .. but can also fly... and has that lightning lasso...
She loops spiderman one time with luck and shocks him straight to hell.
Originally posted by Devil Lance
she wastrained by artemis and diana both expert swordmasters you really think they didn't teach anything about sword wielding.
and concetration
she's been able to keep her emotions in check while fighting he rown boyfriend.Wondergirl isn't a inexperienced hero shes been in the game for awhile.
She's great. But she isn't Spiderman. He's been in all kinds of cosmic conflicts, and fighting guys who can give thor a run for years. Cassie isn't so invulnerable that a good blow to the face won't knock her out. I'm going by her showings. Since I"m the DC fan. And I know she can get rash. and since she hasn't been shown using a sword,i'm not gonna go on what i think she can do. Especially since I don't even remember seeing herbeing trained with a sword.
Originally posted by Devil Lance
she wastrained by artemis and diana both expert swordmasters you really think they didn't teach anything about sword wielding.
and concetration
she's been able to keep her emotions in check while fighting he rown boyfriend.Wondergirl isn't a inexperienced hero shes been in the game for awhile.
Originally posted by rotiart
Didn't Venom and Rhino both break through the webbing before... and doctor octopus.. whos arms are only in the 20 ton range... cassie is so much stronger than that.. i imagine spiderman fighting cassie to him fighting a rhino... who was of average intelligence... with some battle savy.. .. but can also fly... and has that lightning lasso...She loops spiderman one time with luck and shocks him straight to hell.
Elektro has done so much more. Spidey is not going to loose to cassie. He is smart for one. He knows stuff. And cassie has just to make one stupid move and spidey with his spider sense will senseit and use her momentum against her. It's how wonder woman beat the juggernaut in the access cross over. They had to use his own power against him.
Originally posted by rotiart
Didn't Venom and Rhino both break through the webbing before... and doctor octopus.. whos arms are only in the 20 ton range... cassie is so much stronger than that.. i imagine spiderman fighting cassie to him fighting a rhino... who was of average intelligence... with some battle savy.. .. but can also fly... and has that lightning lasso...She loops spiderman one time with luck and shocks him straight to hell.
it probably won't even be that hard for her to lasso him given how fast she flies.
The webbing's been broken several times before, but it depends how much he uses and how fast it dries. It's held those such as The Wrecker, The Blob, Mr. Hyde, and The Rhino before. The Thing, She-Hulk, Thunderbolt w/ full Norn power, etc. had trouble breaking it. Namor once stated he can't break it.
Originally posted by Devil Lance
🙄She wasn't even trying with against Ravager if she used her full speed against her ravger would have died in a second.
What evidence do you have of this speed other than flight or deflecting bullets? Because Thor and Surfer have both of those, and Spidey's been shown to DWARF them in combat speed.
Additionally, given that she was threatening to poke Ravager's other eye out, I doubt she was especially "holding back" her speed.
Originally posted by Devil LancePre oyl she had been shown to fly a little ove rthe speed of sound
when she got her power boost Ares told her that she would be faster and stronger than she evr was before.Meaning alot faster then Spiderman
Come on now. Spidey's outmanuevered people that fly past light speed. While running or flying speed arguably should translate into combat speed, that's not always the case in comics.
Unless you have a SINGLE reference of her easily dodging, blitzing, etc. someone with significant super-speed, there's no way you can act like that's part of her power-set in a fight.
Originally posted by Devil LanceAnyone who can stalemate Superboy
Spidey's record against Namor is better than her record against Superboy. Heck, Spidey's record against Thor is better than her record against Kon.
Originally posted by Devil Lance
and manhandle superman robots ( she manged to defelect heat vison at point blank range against the robot which Donna troy wasn't even able to d by the way) can very eaislly beat spiderman. [/B]
Those Superman robots varied greatly in power. The ones in The Insiders arc were getting owned left and right by everyone they fought. If you want a similar reference, Spidey owned a bunch of Mindless Ones around ASM#500. Do you really want me to list the major superhumans Spidey's beaten? Comparing their best fight performances works deeply in Spidey's favor (partially due to his greater number of appearances, of course)