So maybe he is in league with Tia. I never thought so before, even when LovelyOne made a case for it. It just seemed like, "is he so evil he decides to WAIT a YEAR before arresting them?" Wouldn't every single person who was there at the hanging that day know it was them? I bet they get strange looks back home, if they ever go "home" again. I think Liz's home is on the high seas with her Jack and Will's is doing something with his dad. So kiss Port Royal goodbye, Will and Liz!
Quoting:
‘Jack cocks the pistol. Will stares back. The stand-off
lasts for a long moment.
JACK
You're lucky, boy -- this shot's
not meant for you.
Jack uncocks the pistol. Will is surprised, reassesses Jack.’
In the final version, we don’t know whether Jack meant to shoot Will or not, if Mr. Brown hadn’t hit him first. We only know he didn’t want to.
‘JACK (CONT'D)
For instance: you can accept that
your father was a pirate and still
a good man... or you can't. Now
me, I can sail this ship to
Tortuga, by myself. . .
(Will looks alarmed)
But I can't just let you drown.
Jack swings the boom back in. Will drops to the deck.’
Again, in the movie, we know Jack says the exact opposite.
‘I can let you drown. But I can’t bring this ship into Tortuga all by me oneself, savvy?’
He asks a sailor if he can swim before he throws him in the sea…
‘JACK
Can you swim?
(the man struggles)
Can. You. Swim?
Jack removes his hand.
SENTRY
Of course, sir. Like a fish. I
grew up summers living in Dover,
with my uncle -
JACK
Good.
Jack lifts the man up, throws him overboard.’
And reveals his plans to others, offers to stay behind so Will and Liz can escape, etc etc…
I agree it’s so very interesting how the writers seem to have initially intended to show him clearly and unequivocally as a GOOD MAN – then they apparently decided to cloak his motives and character in mystery, and let the audience do some hard work to figure him out for what he is – a decent chap, and well meaning to others as far as possible.
Of course, that made him a whole lot more alluring and appealing.
And
maybe they did make him a bit more self centered in the final version –
could you ever imagine Jack in Potc1 saying to Will – you go on and I’ll stay behind and sacrifice myself – because the balance has to be restored – blah blah
Of course not. He’d save himself first – and then if remotely possible – Will and everyone else as well.
That’s a good thing too, because this way he’s a lot more human and believable and a lot less of a cardboard figure. A lot more PIRATE, in fact. Which is what we love him for.
And yes, it is pretty clearly revealed in this script that he’s interested in Liz:
(apart from other examples already pointed out by others, this scene):
‘EXT. ISLA DE MUERTA - BEACH - NIGHT - LATER
Jack, Will, and Norrington gather together on the beach.
Elizabeth calls out:
ELIZABETH
You're all right!
The three men turn as one. An awkward moment -- which of
them does she mean?’
And I agree that with Jack being so clearly shown as honest and good, there wouldn’t have been much conflict or suspense in the sequel, if they were going to make one. So maybe they meant Liz to choose Jack, and they meant people to be surprised. I don't know, it's just so confusing🙂
One more thing is, it’s funny how this script clears up some puzzling moments in Potc1.
This scene for one:
Jack: I'm terribly sorry. I didn't know. If I see one, I shall inform you immediately. [tries to continue on his way but is again thwarted] Apparently there's some sort of high toned and fancy to do up at the fort, eh? How could it be that two upstanding gentlemen such as yourselves did not merit an invitation?
Murtogg: Someone has to make sure this dock stays off limits to civilians.
Jack: It's a fine goal to be sure but it seems to me that a... [shifts again] a ship like that [points out the Dauntless] makes this one here a bit superfluous, really.
I always thought: what the heck is the connection between what Murtogg says and what Jack says?
This clears it up:
MURTOGG
No ... someone has to make sure
this dock stays off-limits to
civilians.
JACK
This must be some important boat.
MULLROY
Ship.
JACK
Ship.
MURTOGG
Captain Norrington's made it his
flagship. He'll use it to hunt
down the last dregs of piracy on
the Spanish Lake.
MULLROY
Commodore.
MURTOGG
Right. Commodore Norrington.
JACK
That's a fine goal, I'm sure ... But it
seems to me a ship like that --
(indicates the Dauntless)
-- makes this one here just a wee
superfluous.
Thanks to katelovespirate for posting this link!
Oh Jack...
this movie would NOT have been a success if they hadnt turns Jack's character around a bit, and made it less of a cardboard one. Cause Will is definately hardly a character in 1... and Liz really has to work hard to seem human as well, so its a good thing they made Jack 100% human and didnt try to make him the hero for no reason.
Jack and Barbossa oddly seem to be a bit more friendly with each other in this script... the relationship in the film is so unique to the actors.
But Barbossa does say a line warning Jack to be careful around Liz, or else he will fall in love with her...
Will this be carried through to the third film, when Barbossa is rumored to save Jack? Does this "saving" represent Barbossa convincing Jack that to go after Elizabeth is just too dangerous? or something?
After the 1st one, I just STILL cant figure out why Barbossa would have anything to do with saving Jack... even to get the pearl back.
I don't know...but it's said that Barbossa later gives his life to save Jack when the Kraken attacks the ship...so I've asked me why he should do that because they were never friends...but maybe Barbossa realises that Liz needs Jack or something like that...I can't imagine another reason. I mean Jack has killed him in 1
theres another question---- are we going to have to endure more kraken attacks?!?!!
cause i am kind of krakened-out. it was a great plus to 2, but if i have to sit through another movie of hopeless sea battle with the giant vagina, i will be slightly miffed.
how many more boats can this thing take down before there arent any boats left in the caribbean? why cant they just flipping kill it?
and they CANT lose the pearl again, if they get it back.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
I hope when we first see Jack he'll be in this dark space and we won't know where he is and all of a sudden it will cut to show the Kracken and its tentacles tense up in pain and we see Jack cut himself out of it, all covered in Kracken blood and slime.
yes that would be very disney to do that-- i can see them doing it...
but if the kraken is killed early on, there isnt a huge point to the EITC having the heart, cause the heart is meant to control jones to control the kraken to take out whatever ships they dont like, and if the kraken is dead, the heart is pretty much worthless... right?!
Yeah Barbossa is definately a redeemable character. even in one, you feel sorta bad when he dies, because he wanted to be free of the curse so much.
and its obvious he and jack respect each other, despite their differences.
i dont think Barbossa is actually keen on helping Jack though... unless he HAS to, since Tia asked him to and Tia brought him back, ya know???
In some way, there are going to have to make this whole "bringing dead people back" a bit more clear, or it wouldnt matter WHO died, and will and liz could bring back their mothers or whatever...
i just hope it doesnt get out of hand. Like, there is a special reason Barbossa and Jack get to come back.
actually i htink thats what will happen...cuz there has to be a reason for Tia wanting to bring him back....i mean her and Jack werent even that close so she probably needs him for sumthing, as well as barbossa, or mabe he was just to help get Jack bak.....but i htink she is going to use Jack, cuz after all she is the reason he is safe, and she can use that to her advantage
i remember wtahcing this thing on tv about POTC2 and JD said Gore Verbinski (SP?) told him to make up a past between him and Tia and try to make that past obvious but not tooobvious to the audience....and to me it seems like they used to be lovers or sumthuiung like that but it all went wrong and thats why he was afraid to visit her