wolverine owned thing 3 times already....
even daredevil owned thing
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Originally posted by jinzinIt matters not because Spiderman is still more popular. And so was hulk, I'm focused on Wolverine's popularity. And by saying that you proved my point, because the effectiveness of these characters has worn off to the years where Logan has been able to match these guys. Honestly do you think Wolverine would be a leading character doing the things he did without his popularity? He would be a supporting character at best.
spiderman was more popular than logan by secret wars but you're going to use that feat to prove a point? that's folley my friend...
Originally posted by jinzinBut accrding to you he heals instantly (or most of you), and it was a glancing blow, glancing.
anywho... logan's KO to hulk is understandible.. he WAS still recovering from gas strong enough to revert hulk into banner, and he WAS slammed to the ground with earth shattering force when it happened..and he DID get up like two minutes later... not really a big deal...
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman's understanible too.. they were tyring to apprehend spidey not hurt him.. plut it was the first time wolvie ever encountered spidey... easy to underestimate someone you've never encountered....
Wolverine has done the same thing before though, the only difference is he was less popular, so writers didn't have to go, "man I have to make this match look good."
Back in those days Wolverine would have been portrayed as a nuisance, but not as a "near equal" or someone Spiderman should "fear". Especially when he's fought guys like Cassidy.
Originally posted by jinzin
finally... it was cyclops, collosus, nightcrawler, and storm.
Oh death Wolverine? Because I know you wouldn't believe that otherwise, you're too smart.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterthis is a circular argument and it applies to both hulk and spiderman as well.... that's no reason to discard wolverine's feats when the same principle applies to everybody... 😬
It matters not because Spiderman is still more popular. And so was hulk, I'm focused on Wolverine's popularity. And by saying that you proved my point, because the effectiveness of these characters has worn off to the years where Logan has been able to match these guys. Honestly do you think Wolverine would be a leading character doing the things he did without his popularity? He would be a supporting character at best.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterhe does heal instantly in certain situations... obviously when he's at his best, or well fed, or running on a massive amount of adrenaline....
But accrding to you he heals instantly (or most of you), and it was a glancing blow, glancing.
however he has shown that posion, and toxins, as well as gases do have a staggering effect on his healing factor, slowing it down... THUS: if a gas was used on the character that was strong enough to negate the healing factor of the hulk... well... we obviously have to assume that it had a hand in wolverine's KO....
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine has done the same thing before though, the only difference is he was less popular, so writers didn't have to go, "man I have to make this match look good."
yeah that really had nothing to do with my rationalization and again it applies to both characters so there's not much use arguing that as a point.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterfought and got destroyed..... 😬
Back in those days Wolverine would have been portrayed as a nuisance, but not as a "near equal" or someone Spiderman should "fear". Especially when he's fought guys like Cassidy.
and that encounter was before cassidy was even a gleam in venom's eye so....
"back in those days" where spidey was popular and wolverine wasn't? again... circular...
wolverine's feats at the beginning of his career heavily outweigh those of spiderman's at the beginning of his.... spiderman, who was getting beat up by kraven in han to hand, the chameleon, fancy dan, montana, and ox..... the guy who almost got put in a coma by dr. doom in HAND TO HAND.... i mean seriously....
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterno not death wolverine.. like I said this was something he did BEFORE his popularity skyrocketed.. 😬
Oh death Wolverine? Because I know you wouldn't believe that otherwise, you're too smart.
Originally posted by jinzin
this is a circular argument and it applies to both hulk and spiderman as well.... that's no reason to discard wolverine's feats when the same principle applies to everybody... 😬
2. Why are you arguing his fans not having an affect then. It seems you are trying to take away from the fact that it does by throwing it on another character.
Originally posted by jinzinDoesn't seem to matter too much with the writers now does it, his healing is inconsistent and a plot device, simple. If he fights Cap, Cap will trade hits with him, if he fights DD, DD will still put hurt on him, if he fights NAMOR, Namor will do the same damage more or less that the other two did.
he does heal instantly in certain situations... obviously when he's at his best, or well fed, or running on a massive amount of adrenaline....
Originally posted by jinzin
however he has shown that posion, and toxins, as well as gases do have a staggering effect on his healing factor, slowing it down... THUS: if a gas was used on the character that was strong enough to negate the healing factor of the hulk... well... we obviously have to assume that it had a hand in wolverine's KO....
Originally posted by jinzin
yeah that really had nothing to do with my rationalization and again it applies to both characters so there's not much use arguing that as a point.
Originally posted by jinzinBut not always, and the fact is that he didn't fear him, not that he could beat him obviously. Carnage is a much bigger threat than Wolverine could dream of.
ought and got destroyed..... 😬
Originally posted by jinzinBut carnage has owned Spiderman and Venom.
and that encounter was before cassidy was even a gleam in venom's eye so....
Originally posted by jinzinBut you're proving my point nonetheless. Spiderman hadn't been written a whole lot differently than upcoming characters either
"back in those days" where spidey was popular and wolverine wasn't? again... circular...
A. Trying to look good.
B. Or are popular.
Spiderman's been secured long enough and fair enough that losses don't matter to his fanbase as much, hell he gets his ass kicked often.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's feats at the beginning of his career heavily outweigh those of spiderman's at the beginning of his.... spiderman, who was getting beat up by kraven in han to hand, the chameleon, fancy dan, montana, and ox..... the guy who almost got put in a coma by dr. doom in HAND TO HAND.... i mean seriously....
Originally posted by jinzinBut why bring it up if it doesn't apply to the forum? You don't think he can do it do you?
no not death wolverine.. like I said this was something he did BEFORE his popularity skyrocketed.. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinMore of the fact that he has done alot more ridiculous things in his career since then. I'm not talking about SPiderman, or hulk, but Wolverine.
nope not claiming that... there's an implication that wolverine's feats after his popularity aren't worth using... that's not the case.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
wolverine owned thing 3 times already....even daredevil owned thing
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Did you even read that scan 😐
It wasnt DD that hurt Ben.
I have that comic, Doom took over DD's body and then switched back.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
wolverine owned thing 3 times already....even daredevil owned thing
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3?!? 🤨
Face Scratch, if you count it, although Ben owned Wolverine right back.
The extreme jobbering of the arm stab.
And if you want to play it that way, Ben has owned Wolverine more than 3 times
