If You Try To Logically Prove Your Faith, You Don't Truly Believe...

I always believed that if you try to form a logical arguement or thesis for your faith, you don't truly believe it in.

Faith isn't logical nor rational.

Trying to form a logical or scientific arguement to "prove" your faith or forming a logical or scientific arguement to "disprove" the antithesis to your faith implies doubt in your faith.

Having true faith means believing in what you believe in no matter what. No matter WHAT. No amount of logic or science should sway you. You shouldn't try to "prove" your faith either because you believe it to be so anyway.

Originally posted by Draco69
I always believed that if you try to form a logical arguement or thesis for your faith, you don't truly believe it in.

Faith isn't logical nor rational.

Trying to form a logical or scientific arguement to "prove" your faith or forming a logical or scientific arguement to "disprove" the antithesis to your faith implies doubt in your faith.

Having true faith means believing in what you believe in no matter what. No matter WHAT. No amount of logic or science should sway you. You shouldn't try to "prove" your faith either because you believe it to be so anyway.

He is doing it for "other people's benefit" not for his sake (personally).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
He is doing it for "other people's benefit" not for his sake (personally).

How do you know that?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know that?

Because he addressed another human being other than himself. If he was doing it for his sake he doesn't need to voice anything to anyone else. Common sense.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because he addressed another human being other than himself. If he was doing it for his sake he doesn't need to voice anything to anyone else. Common sense.

Oh please. He was making arguement on an Internet Forum for people to hear his opinions on what can and what cannot be proven.

That implies he did for himself.

I make an arguement for something and I look foreward to what people have to say about it.

It wasn't pure altruism....

🙄

And do get back to the topic. 😬

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because he addressed another human being other than himself. If he was doing it for his sake he doesn't need to voice anything to anyone else. Common sense.

that would be Grade-A bullcrap. Murderers try to justify their actions for their own fullfilment, but still try to force their logic on those around them.

Simply put: Belief without (or in the face of) fact is ignorance.

I'm unsure....although I believe that Alliance does have a point....

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because he addressed another human being other than himself. If he was doing it for his sake he doesn't need to voice anything to anyone else. Common sense.

What? How old are you?

i agree FAITH is illogical. but then why does sumthin which is supposedly FAITH make LOGICAL statement and further try to prove itself through LOGIC and calls itself LOGICAL on top of having PHYSICAL logical and forseeable consequences on followers and non followers

faith does not have to be illogical...I have faith that the world will continue rotating...and that is completely logical

Originally posted by Alliance
faith does not have to be illogical...I have faith that the world will continue rotating...and that is completely logical

Technically, by the definintion of faith that has been given numerous times, your wrong. Faith is believing without any proof. You have proof, and therefore it isn't a matter of "faith".

I believe in ghosts. I have faith that ghosts exist. All science and logic points otherwise. But I don't care because I still believe in it. I'm certainly not going to try to prove it because I can't. It's my faith....

Yup, that would be a perfect example of faith. ✅

But religious faith is more dubious than believing in certain other supernatural things....
I mean, no one I know ever says "Ghosts don't exist, because there's proof," they say "We can't prove that Ghosts exist or don't exist."

I find that religion is (usually) a thing that people can say "can't be true" based on other facts.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
that would be Grade-A bullcrap. Murderers try to justify their actions for their own fullfilment, but still try to force their logic on those around them.

So based on your reasoning offering someone something to consider is forcing your logic on them? Absurd, ludicrous, asinine, nonsense, idiocy, foolish, and a bunch of other words that I don't have time to write. Answer me this: have you ever asked a girl out on a date?

Originally posted by Draco69
I believe in ghosts. I have faith that ghosts exist. All science and logic points otherwise. But I don't care because I still believe in it. I'm certainly not going to try to prove it because I can't. It's my faith....

I find it interesting that I have a diffident view of faith, then you do. To me it’s like going into a room and turning on the light. I have faith that the light will go on. But if it one day it does not go on, I do not pretend that the room is illuminated, I fix the light switch. I never have faith in something that does not work for me.

Please do not take this post as a criticism, it was not meant to be one.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So based on your reasoning offering someone something to consider is forcing your logic on them? Absurd, ludicrous, asinine, nonsense, idiocy, foolish, and a bunch of other words that I don't have time to write. Answer me this: have you ever asked a girl out on a date?

I think that fits under the definition of tolling.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Technically, by the definintion of faith that has been given numerous times, your wrong. Faith is believing without any proof. You have proof, and therefore it isn't a matter of "faith".

No I don't think that is correct. There is no proof that the earth will be rotating tomorrow. Do you have any?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think that fits under the definition of tolling.

Or angsty 12 year olds.