Re: If You Try To Logically Prove Your Faith, You Don't Truly Believe...
Originally posted by Draco69
Faith isn't logical nor rational.
So illogical and irrational which are the opposites of rational and logical?
Trying to form a logical or scientific arguement to "prove" your faith or forming a logical or scientific arguement to "disprove" the antithesis to your faith implies doubt in your faith.
I insist it shouldn't. The whole "Proof destroys faith" argument has always reeked, to me, of an attempt to excuse an aloof God, or a nonexistent one.
"Oh prospective followers you don't need proof to believe! Yes, you can't see the Lord, and it appears he doesn't do anything for anyone, but that is what makes his faith all the truer! It is not hard to believe in something when there is proof! But it is quite another to believe in something with no proof! In most circumstances this would be called "blind faith" but not here. No! Because this is the one true God etc. etc. etc.
Having true faith means believing in what you believe in no matter what. No matter WHAT. No amount of logic or science should sway you. You shouldn't try to "prove" your faith either because you believe it to be so anyway.
So having true faith, theoretically, means believing no matter what? Even if something occurs that offers factual proof what one believes in isn't true?
I was reading, the other day, a biography of a German who defected or something like that to the Socialists/Communists during WWII. Prior to this he believed in the cause of Hitler and so forth. Then, he saw the horrors the Nazi regime was committing. Now, this proof led him to "loose faith" in the Nazis, and to find new faith in the Soviet philosophy (which sadly didn't turn out well either.)
You see, I think people are always doing it - they believe in things. Sometime this belief is in response to proof they have seen. Proof it is the way, proof that the alternatives aren't good, proof that something is real and deserves faith. The excuse you are only "really believing" without proof rings hollow. Even more so when there is then a whole other lot of religious people who go on about what God has done for them - near death experiences, miracles, all that jazz. So what is it? Is their faith nonexistent because they believe they have proof? Or is it the stronger for it?