If You Try To Logically Prove Your Faith, You Don't Truly Believe...

Originally posted by Alliance
No I don't think that is correct. There is no proof that the earth will be rotating tomorrow. Do you have any?

Well, there's like physics and stuff.

I hate physics....

Its faith that fact and our natural laws will continue to work.

Its a completely rational form of faith.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So based on your reasoning offering someone something to consider is forcing your logic on them? Absurd, ludicrous, asinine, nonsense, idiocy, foolish, and a bunch of other words that I don't have time to write. Answer me this: have you ever asked a girl out on a date?

Sorry, I'll replace that with "Explain".

And I'm married, *******.

Originally posted by Alliance
Its faith that fact and our natural laws will continue to work.

Its a completely rational form of faith.

"Rational" faith is not-existant. Faith's definition:

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

So, your wrong. Haha! 🙂

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Sorry, I'll replace that with "Explain".

And I'm married, *******.

I don't know what ******* means, but the first thought that came into my mind only had 6 letters. 😆

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

And I'm married

You poor bastard.

My deepest condolences....

🙁

I know. She talked me into it. 🙁 😛

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Sorry, I'll replace that with "Explain".

And I'm married, *******.

Great, then my illustration will work. Did you propose to your wife or did she propose to you. If you proposed to her then in essence you gave her something to consider: marriage. You didn't force your logic (in this case your offer for marriage) on her, you simply offerered her the opportunity to marry you. You put it forth for her consideration. Well, similarly, offering someone an opportunity to consider whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead is not forcing anything on anyone. It is no different than putting out an offer for marriage. If the listeners don't want to hear then they can opt to leave. And if your wife did not want to marry you she could have simply opted to leave you. Same thing. So just as you don't treat your (original) offer to your wife to marry you as something forced, it is not sensible to treat an offer from someone to another person to examine information for themselves something forced. It is still ultimately the other person's decision.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Great, then my illustration will work. Did you propose to your wife or did she propose to you. If you proposed to her then in essence you gave her something to consider: marriage. You didn't force your logic (in this case your offer for marriage) on her, you simply offerered her the opportunity to marry you. You put it forth for her consideration. Well, similarly, offering someone an opportunity to consider whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead is not forcing anything on anyone. It is no different than putting out an offer for marriage. If the listeners don't want to hear then they can opt to leave. And if your wife did not want to marry you she could have simply opted to leave you. Same thing. So just as you don't treat your (original) offer to your wife to marry you as something forced, it is not sensible to treat an offer from someone to another person to examine information for themselves something forced. It is still ultimately the other person's decision.

Like I said, I am sorry for using the wrong word, and replace it with explain.

And, in my opinion, consistantly shoving the same idea down my throat and over again constitutes forcing your logic.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Great, then my illustration will work. Did you propose to your wife or did she propose to you. If you proposed to her then in essence you gave her something to consider: marriage. You didn't force your logic (in this case your offer for marriage) on her, you simply offerered her the opportunity to marry you. You put it forth for her consideration. Well, similarly, offering someone an opportunity to consider whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead is not forcing anything on anyone. It is no different than putting out an offer for marriage. If the listeners don't want to hear then they can opt to leave. And if your wife did not want to marry you she could have simply opted to leave you. Same thing. So just as you don't treat your (original) offer to your wife to marry you as something forced, it is not sensible to treat an offer from someone to another person to examine information for themselves something forced. It is still ultimately the other person's decision.

Strange. I thought people proposed to people because they loved them and they wanted that person to be their spouse and they wanted spend their rest of their lives in happieness with their loved ones.

Then again I forgot. You equate marriage as some sort of legal contract that requires good health, child-bearing and a woman that always listen to their husbands. Love isn't a necessity for the marriage as long as the person can reproduce like a rabbit on Viagra....

Originally posted by Draco69
Strange. I thought people proposed to people because they loved them and they wanted that person to be their spouse and they wanted spend their rest of their lives in happieness with their loved ones.

Then again I forgot. You equate marriage as some sort of legal contract that requires good health, child-bearing and a woman that always listen to their husbands. Love isn't a necessity for the marriage as long as the person can reproduce like a rabbit on Viagra....

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Like I said, I am sorry for using the wrong word, and replace it with explain.

And, in my opinion, consistantly shoving the same idea down my throat and over again constitutes forcing your logic.

So, William Lane Craig consistently shoved the same idea down your throat over and over again? Remember he is who we are originally talking about.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Great, then my illustration will work. Did you propose to your wife or did she propose to you. If you proposed to her then in essence you gave her something to consider: marriage. You didn't force your logic (in this case your offer for marriage) on her, you simply offerered her the opportunity to marry you. You put it forth for her consideration. Well, similarly, offering someone an opportunity to consider whether Jesus Christ rose from the dead is not forcing anything on anyone. It is no different than putting out an offer for marriage. If the listeners don't want to hear then they can opt to leave. And if your wife did not want to marry you she could have simply opted to leave you. Same thing. So just as you don't treat your (original) offer to your wife to marry you as something forced, it is not sensible to treat an offer from someone to another person to examine information for themselves something forced. It is still ultimately the other person's decision.

But you must first court the woman. You have to bring her flowers and take her out for dancing. Using your analogy, Christians are walking up to perfect strangers and asking them to marry them.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you must first court the woman. You have to bring her flowers and take her out for dancing. Using your analogy, Christians are walking up to perfect strangers and asking them to marry them.

Not necessarily, there is more than one way to win a girl's heart. I have never taken a girl out dancing or brought her flowers to win her heart and yet I did and have.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Not necessarily, there is more than one way to win a girl's heart. I have never taken a girl out dancing or brought her flowers to win her heart and yet I did and have.

Please don't get distracted by the metaphor.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please don't get distracted by the metaphor.

I was being difficult on purpose.

Originally posted by Draco69
I always believed that if you try to form a logical arguement or thesis for your faith, you don't truly believe it in.

Faith isn't logical nor rational.

Trying to form a logical or scientific arguement to "prove" your faith or forming a logical or scientific arguement to "disprove" the antithesis to your faith implies doubt in your faith.

Having true faith means believing in what you believe in no matter what. No matter WHAT. No amount of logic or science should sway you. You shouldn't try to "prove" your faith either because you believe it to be so anyway.

I think you are referring to "blind faith" when you use the phrase "true faith." Blind faith is an error. You should logically reason through your beliefs, and then faith is the portion that does not have evidence supporting it. A person that does not logically reason through their beliefs is an idiot, and is not using the complete faculties that we as individuals have.

Blind faith isn't logical nor rational. True faith is.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was being difficult on purpose.

What was your purpose?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What was your purpose?

You've never intentionally given someone a hard time just because? It is a form of teasing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was being difficult on purpose.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You've never intentionally given someone a hard time just because? It is a form of teasing.

No one is going to play with you. And no one thinks your funny.