Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Originally posted by Mr Master
Please,

Can you point out to me where the speculation is?

"Everything is, what I say it is"

Spectre guided all reality in DC, Beyonder controls all reality in Marvel.

Difference?

In the scan, he indentifies the ability to change elements of reality in that scan. Nothing more. He then makes the connection if its so easy for him to change things, 'maybe' its all his creation. Spectre was definitively describing guilding all realities and all beings in them at once while holding creation in his hand, off a piece of The Presence's power.

Originally posted by Juntai
The speculation is easily identified in the 'maybe's and 'might's of the scan.

No doubt.

But where do you see 'maybe's and 'might's?

Originally posted by Juntai
In the scan, he indentifies the ability to change elements of reality in that scan. Nothing more.

"elements of reality"....."Nothing more"?

So "EVERYTHING is, what I say it is" (as the scan says) = "elements of reality"

Got it.

Originally posted by Juntai
He then makes the connection if its so easy for him to change things, 'maybe' its all his creation.

Perhaps this scan is less murky for you:

"I. who utterly dictate ALL Reality"

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre was definitively describing guilding all realities and all beings in them at once while holding creation in his hand, off a piece of The Presence's power.

Many descriptions of the Beyonder, difficult to except for some though.

They beyonder was never shown as having power over things that are supernatural. Like souls. Or actual Destinies. he could shape reality to his whim, but he couldn't control destiny. He wasn't omnicient. He wasn't even omnipresent. The beyonder had an actual power limit. He was described as millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse. NO matter how powerful that is, it's a number. and that number is nothing compared to the presence's infinite power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>beyonder millions of times more powerful than the marvel u.

..... crybaby

Beyonder=xmillions(Marvel U)
Presence=Absolute infinite everything

Absolute infinite everything>>>>>>xmillions(marvel U)

The logic can't get more plain than that.

lamo

Originally posted by rotiart
..... crybaby

Originally posted by rotiart
lamo

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pokey

And with all of those funny little scans, it does not in any way invalidate the absolute truth in my logic. Hell even the beyonder said he was incomplete. The Presence is never incomplete.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They beyonder was never shown as having power over things that are supernatural. Like souls. Or actual Destinies.

Go read comics!

Beyonder changes Hulk's destiny...it's because of the Beyonder that we read Hulk today...Hulk was lost in a realm even Dr Strange could not find.

Beyonder gives Dazzler her choice of THREE different DESTINIES

Beyonder changes Rachel's destiny (Phoenix)

Beyonder had power over Souls.

Beyonder ERASES from existence (from ever being SOUL and ALL) a space armada that comprised of over 30,000 advanced civilizations.

Death and Mephisto will never savor those billions of souls...because due to the Beyonder they never even existed.

Continues...

Beyonder extracts Darkchild's SOUL

Beyonder resurrects some woman that committed suicide for him.

Beyonder resurrects TimeBomb..after she disintegrated herself.

Resurrects Kang

Resurrects Dazzler

Beyonder re-creates Scion of the Micronauts

Beyonder created a machine than can resurrect beings(Like the New Mutants)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he could shape reality to his whim, but he couldn't control destiny.

I shut this ignorance down, like seconds ago.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't omnicient.

Spiderman has something to say about that

I could go into like 14 more scans, but it's not like it will make a difference to one such as you.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't even omnipresent.

While Beyonder is half a Universe away in the Celestial World Complex,
Timebomb, calls out to the Beyonder and:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder extracts Darkchild's SOUL

Beyonder resurrects some woman that committed suicide for him.

Beyonder resurrects TimeBomb..after she disintegrated herself.

Resurrects Kang

Resurrects Dazzler

Beyonder re-creates Scion of the Micronauts

Beyonder created a machine than can resurrect beings(Like the New Mutants)

He still isn't omnicient. He was till incomplete. He still had a limit. He still didn't have complete mastery over destiny. Or he would still be God. You can't compare the beyonder to the presence. It's not even a close fight. The beyonder never created souls. He gave them thier host back. I didn't see him creating a new soul. Let me check and be sure. But I dont' see him MAKING a new soul. ANd that doesn't say he reached and got a soul. it says he got an essence. And essence is not a soul. if it were a soul, it would have said so. And omnipresent does not mean being able to teleport instantly any where you want to go. It means being every where at all times.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He still isn't omnicient. He was till incomplete. He still had a limit. He still didn't have complete mastery over destiny.

What's the point of debating with you,

Your like a Lump on a Log.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or he would still be God.

You finally acknowledge that he was the God of Marvel before the retcon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can't compare the beyonder to the presence. It's not even a close fight.

You've given me NO reason what so ever to find significance, in your opinion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder never created souls. He gave them thier host back. I didn't see him creating a new soul. Let me check and be sure. But I dont' see him MAKING a new soul.

Beyonder CREATES a Universe with SOULS from scratch:

Life Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"

Again, go read comics.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What's the point of debating with you,

Your like a Lump on a Log.

You finally acknowledge that he was the God of Marvel before the retcon.

You've given me NO reason what so ever to find significance, in your opinion.

Beyonder CREATING a Universe with SOULS from scratch:

Life Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"

Again, go read comics.

Dogs are life with no souls. Angels are intelligent beings with no souls. Him creating life does not equal him creating souls. the surfer can create life. So can darkseid. Only god can create souls. the beyonder did no such thing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Dogs are life with no souls. Angels are intelligent beings with no souls. Him creating life does not equal him creating souls. the surfer can create life. So can darkseid. Only god can create souls. the beyonder did no such thing.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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this matter is settled simply. Who is Death's Creator? Did it not take nearly all of the beyonder's power to kill death? IT took nearly all of his might to kill something The presence created with ease. among all of the other things that are equal to death. The presence can kill death and remake her at his whim. The beyonder is not any where near the power of the presence.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
this matter is settled simply. Who is Death's Creator? Did it not take nearly all of the beyonder's power to kill death?

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Seriously dude, just go read Comics, a lobotomy is a harsh option, but one that may prove necessary I'm noticing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT took nearly all of his might to kill something The presence created with ease.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
among all of the other things that are equal to death. The presence can kill death and remake her at his whim.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder is not any where near the power of the presence.

sleepyhead

ANd thru all the insults, you have not once rebutted my statement that the beyonder had to use a large portion of his power to kill something God created with ease. Your insults do not hide the fact that I'm right and you can do nothing about it. The beyonder CANNOT equal the presence when he had to use a large part of his might to kill Death. God created Death easily. He will easily destroy her and remake her again. The beyonder is outclassed when fighting the presence. sorry bud.