Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

Originally posted by rotiart
Don't try to switch topics with my youngin. The topic is that you can't back up jack about anything you ever argue about. Not issues. Not scans. Nothing. The reason why others get respect here is cause they can prove what they say. If you wanna disprove them, use scans of the same characters against them. Watch. Heres a hint.

People said. Oh jesus Sabretooth vs Blackpanther... Sabretooth by a mile!

Then a scan came up, showing BP decimating Sabretooth.
...

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Why makes me laugh to think about.

i'm not on here to back up all this with scans. putting up scans doesn't mean your really proving a point. I argue off of logic. the scans are nice to look at and good for point of reference. but since the characters exist in differnt companies and follow different rules, i have to use logic when I debate the characters. I dont' care what you or anyone else thinks. I know I argue with good enough logic. People just got mad cuz I called them on thier marvel bias. And they know it's true.

I think people tend to bash Nvr for his opinions, yet they are not as "made up" as some of you may think, I do think that much of what Nvr says has solid ground to it, and to call most of everything he/she says as speculation I find a bit biased and unfair since the KMC Silver Surfer doesn't even exist in comics and is mostly speculation to begin with on these boards.

I say the presence takes this because of the limitations shown of the beyonder.

Originally posted by rotiart
I'm not the fanboy that creates the equivalent of Darkseid vs New York Cop Threads...

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And when have u seen me create a DS vs New York Cop thread?

I never said Beyonder beat Presence. In fact I do think Presence beats Beyonder. I'm more arguing about Nevers arguing style, where he tends to condescend to people that actually post... and creates over and again obvious spite threads.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And when have u seen me create a DS vs New York Cop thread?

I said the equivalent

Originally posted by Jesse7
I find a bit biased and unfair since the KMC Silver Surfer doesn't even exist in comics and is mostly speculation to begin with on these boards.

Originally posted by rotiart
I never said Beyonder beat Presence. In fact I do think Presence beats Beyonder. I'm more arguing about Nevers arguing style, where he tends to condescend to people that actually post... and creates over and again obvious spite threads.

I didn't make this to be a spite thread. i made this becuz mr master actually had the nerve to say that the beyonder could beat or stale mate the presence in another thread. So i just make a thread about it to get everyone's opinion.

shrug. you do it often. i refer to your darkseid to your heralds thread... where you took skyfathers+ and pit the against the same in number of heralds... well maybe not as often as when I first started seeing your name. btw, calling everyone fanboys, when you know nothing about them is stupid. thats offensive.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I think people tend to bash Nvr for his opinions,

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr. master is as about as knowlegeable about DC cosmics as the Klan is about freind chicken and watermelon.

Originally posted by rotiart
I said the equivalent

and you have never seen me make a DS thread that wasn't worthy of good debate. Most of my threads get some good arguments going. just take a look at my magneto/iceman vs thor silver surfer thread. Or the Darksied and freinds vs thanos and freinds thread. I make them as close to even as possible, unless i'm trying to prove a point or show some character bias. I for one dont' think wonder girl can beat spiderman, i was gonna make a thread similiar, to show people how experience really does matter. maybe a wonder girl vs. captain america thread. to show that spider man really should beat wonder girl. I try not to make stupid threads that aren't balanced, unless it's for a reason.

Originally posted by rotiart
shrug. you do it often. i refer to your darkseid to your heralds thread... where you took skyfathers+ and pit the against the same in number of heralds... well maybe not as often as when I first started seeing your name. btw, calling everyone fanboys, when you know nothing about them is stupid. thats offensive.

Actually I think more people call him a fanboy, or initiate the bashing against him first, I've seen Nvr present reasonable argument points yet some people will come and it seems like pureposely bash him and try to tear his arguments to pieces and claim what he presents is false when actually its not.

It seems some people do not like when he or I, defend supes or Ds in debates, yet when we use examples that are cannon, such as Dominus being Abstract and above, which Avalon provided the scans today to show, and that T-vo is a very powerful power, which again was shown when Avalon showed the scans that showed how powerful Dominus was/is. (which I and Nvr both used in arguments but people tried to tear our arguments apart saying he wasn't, which the scans have been posted to show we were accurate)

People claim Superman died to doomsday when in fact he didn't, he went into cognito while he was recovering.

People underestimate DS as though he is a Skyfather Level, when as Avalon has also said he is not skyfather but is at the very least high sky father level and he is still researching DS.

Enough of the biased comments, or posting comments when you do not know what you (not aimed at you rotiart, is in general) do not know what your speaking of.

Originally posted by bigbran
And then he turns around and says this.

Originally posted by bigbran
And then he turns around and says this.

Well if you had been reading the post, you would have known, mr master had spent the greater part of a nite putting me down and calling me names. and he actually never had disproven any of the things I was talking about. he puts up pictures, and then subjectifies them to what he interprets. So I was angry. at least I made it a joke. We all can see that he doesn't know that much about DC cosmics. He knows all about marvel. and that is all good. but you can tell that he is biased for marvel. which is fine. but don't pretend like marvel is just so uber powerful and DC ain't shit. that ain't right. it's not even good arguing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
. Most of my threads get some good arguments going.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Actually I think more people call him a fanboy, or initiate the bashing against him first,

Originally posted by Jesse7
I've seen Nvr present reasonable argument points yet some people will come and it seems like pureposely bash him and try to tear his arguments to pieces and claim what he presents is false when actually its not.

Originally posted by bigbran
And he used to call everyone a Marvel zombie.
Not I.

OMG. have you seen how many threads on here have marvel characters doing things that are just not even in thier character? On these boards we have God silver surfer. I never EVER seen Silver Surfer lifted up to the hieghts that this board does. And i'm on of the surfers biggest fans. I have also never seen DC characters put down so much. People had DS being Odin lvl. WHAT!!!!!!??? and then they argued me down that DS wasn't as powerful as I was saying that he was. That is why I said people were marvel zombies. to which I do apologize. but it doesn't change the fact that I think there is some serious bias going on here.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well if you had been reading the post, you would have known, mr master had spent the greater part of a nite putting me down and calling me names. and he actually never had disproven any of the things I was talking about. he puts up pictures, and then subjectifies them to what he interprets. So I was angry. at least I made it a joke. We all can see that he doesn't know that much about DC cosmics. He knows all about marvel. and that is all good. but you can tell that he is biased for marvel. which is fine. but don't pretend like marvel is just so uber powerful and DC ain't shit. that ain't right. it's not even good arguing.

yay for prejudice!

Originally posted by bigbran
And he used to call everyone a Marvel zombie.

Do you want to hold past grudges, such as when you claimed T-vo wouldn't work on SS because he has shown resistance to "illusions" when Avalon has said and shown with scans that T-vo is not illusionary but is real, and when you argued that Dominus was not even at Abstract, when today the scans by Avalon have been posted showing that Dominus is multiversal?

Let go of past grudges and move on.

Originally posted by bigbran
Not I.

I've seen quite a few of Nvr's arguments, and so what if many argue against him? Quite a few have shown to be ignorant of Supes and or DS and or others feats, such as some claiming Supes died to DD when in fact he didn't die but went into cognito while he recovered, or that DS is not skyfather, when Avalon has posted that at the very least he is very high skyfather.

Also some people claiming that DS and Supes are not multiversal abstracts in importance, when again Scans have been posted as well as Avalon supporting DS and supes importance to the Source and all of existence itself.

Without DS, existence begins to fall apart.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OMG. have you seen how many threads on here have marvel characters doing things that are just not even in thier character? On these boards we have God silver surfer. I never EVER seen Silver Surfer lifted up to the hieghts that this board does. And i'm on of the surfers biggest fans. I have also never seen DC characters put down so much. People had DS being Odin lvl. WHAT!!!!!!??? That is why I said people were marvel zombies. to which I do apologize. but it doesn't change the fact that I think there is some serious bias going on here.

God silver surfer refers to the 3 times where he attained eternity equivalent power....
1. LT embued.
2. What If? He attained the IG
3. He absorbed the Blackbody of Unilord and became the equivalent..

Keeper was not on Galactus's level...
Surfer has shown reality altering, time travelling, healing, planet destroying powers.

As for DS being Odin level.. In a sense yes, as they are both skyfathers..

but I would only put an avatar of DS on the same level as Odin. The "true DS" would be like Galactus level.

And I understand you might be passionate about your comics. But I don't think that most here are as marvel biased as you assume... IE. superman pretty much kills all his wannabes.. batman goes evenly with caps in a handto hand... hulk loses to doomsday...
You have your opinions, the others have theirs. You don't really have the right to act all high and mighty.. which is why I guess you rub me the wrong way.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
On these boards we have God silver surfer. I never EVER seen Silver Surfer lifted up to the hieghts that this board does.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And i'm on of the surfers biggest fans.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have also never seen DC characters put down so much. People had DS being Odin lvl. WHAT!!!!!!???