Originally posted by Robtard
So Christians DO NOT have to follow the Old Testament... Huh? Can someone with Bible knowledge please explain the whole 'people no longer being bound by the OT since Jesus came along' thing?
It is much the same as stating that works are unnecessary for a person to be saved by a grace that only occurs if there is faith which is dead and meaningless unless it has works which are unnecessary to salvation.
In summation:
The laws of the Old Testament are in force. Method of law enforcement have changed (i.e. no more stoning, etc.) The laws were incorporated in the teaching of Christ. Christ stated that loving one another was what was required. He then stated that if one loves one another in the manner he taught, that that individual would not break any of the laws of the Old Testament. If a person breaks a law from the Old Testament, that person is not following Christ's teachings.
As to hair style customs, etc. The practice was mainly for ease of discrimination between a Hebrew and someone that was not Hebrew. It made it easy to see who was Hebrew and who was not. These were familial specific to the Hebrews, there is no reason to believe that this manner of hair style would hold over to non Hebrew believers.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
The whole of religion is outdated.
I agree that some ideas and teaching are outdated, but it's also full of many ones that apply in any era.
For example: I believe the shave-your-beard law and the Jewish food laws are obsolete, but I think The Ten Commandments will always apply.
After all, The Commandments were quite literally written in stone.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I agree that some ideas and teaching are outdated, but it's also full of many ones that apply in any era.For example: I believe the shave-your-beard law and the Jewish food laws are obsolete, but I think The Ten Commandments will always apply.
After all, The Commandments were quite literally written in stone.
The Ten Commandments are a set of moral rules, morals don't exist soley in religion.
I don't need to be religious to know that taking another life is wrong.
In fact, there were similar laws in place long before the Bible was ever written.
Originally posted by Regret
Apathetic atheism is outdated...
I'm neither apathetic nor an atheist. Don't assume you know anything about me.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
I'm neither apathetic nor an atheist. Don't assume you know anything about me.
I didn't state I knew anything about you. I made a simple statement with as much value attached as your statement. I do not assume I know something about you, I do know something about you. You made a statement and regardless of your belief in it, it gives me information about you.
Also, religion does not necessitate a group or organized belief system. It can be defined by personal belief that a deity exists and any behaviors that are altered as a result of that existence. The fact that you made a statement on the subject of religion and are not an atheist means that you, by definition, have a religion, even if it is a personal one.
Originally posted by Regret
I didn't state I knew anything about you. I made a simple statement with as much value attached as your statement. I do not assume I know something about you, I do know something about you. You made a statement and regardless of your belief in it, it gives me information about you.Also, religion does not necessitate a group or organized belief system. It can be defined by personal belief that a deity exists and any behaviors that are altered as a result of that existence. The fact that you made a statement on the subject of religion and are not an atheist means that you, by definition, have a religion, even if it is a personal one.
More assumptions. I like it.
You forgot the third option. Agnosticism is fun. Maybe there is a God, maybe there isn't, but until I'm shown some satisfying proof, I'll remain skeptical and Godless.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
More assumptions. I like it.You forgot the third option. Agnosticism is fun. Maybe there is a God, maybe there isn't, but until I'm shown some satisfying proof, I'll remain skeptical and Godless.
Agnosticism is a belief in the possibility of a deity. Your statement to a stance on agnosticism is still a behavior based on the possible existence of deity. It is still personal religion. The only nonreligious stance is atheism.