Flash and Hal move at twenty trillion times the speed of light, Flash then steals team SS and Runner's kinitic energy (surfer is made of cosmic energy), with no kinitic energy what so ever Surfer stops, he literaly stops thinkng, moving, anything, same with runner who is made of primordial energy, then Hal and Flash ko and or kill team two while team 1 is moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light.
Team 1 10/10 over team two because of kinitic energy steal.
Originally posted by Jesse7even so, hals ring has certain limitations of power, plus surfer is nigh invulnerable..... all around surfer seems to be more of a power house
Do you read Flash comics? Did you read the Hal Jordan comics or at least see the respect thread, Hal is at least equal to current SS.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Flash and Hal move at twenty trillion times the speed of light, Flash then steals team SS and Runner's kinitic energy (surfer is made of cosmic energy), with no kinitic energy what so ever Surfer stops, he literaly stops thinkng, moving, anything, same with runner who is made of primordial energy, then Hal and Flash ko and or kill team two while team 1 is moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light.Team 1 10/10 over team two because of kinitic energy steal.
You do realize of course that silver surfer has reached those speeds and that runner was blitzing him like nothing. He was going so fast in fact, reality was bending as he goes. Not to mention the fact Surfer is more adept and experienced against both as far as manipulation energy goes.
Originally posted by galan7777777
even so, hals ring has certain limitations of power, plus surfer is nigh invulnerable..... all around surfer seems to be more of a power house
Hals ring showed no limitations, to the point of containing the big bang, the ring is only limited with will which Hal had plenty of, going by feats and what he showed he had no limits at his best.
Secondly SS has shown limits with his powers, so dont act as if SS is infinite in anyway in power or energy.
Originally posted by Jesse7and surfer does? u have to remember that all the runner/surfer need is one shot at hal and its all over
Hals ring showed no limitations, to the point of containing the big bang, the ring is only limited with will which Hal had plenty of, going by feats and what he showed he had no limits at his best.Secondly SS has shown limits with his powers, so dont act as if SS is infinite in anyway in power or energy.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
You do realize of course that silver surfer has reached those speeds and that runner was blitzing him like nothing. He was going so fast in fact, reality was bending as he goes. Not to mention the fact Surfer is more adept and experienced against both as far as manipulation energy goes.
The fastest speed shown on panel that SS has moved at was 300 million times the speed of light, Flash has on panel instantly (didnt need acceleration) was able to move at and do things twentry trillion times the speed of light, SS is not going to even be able to react to this if some one of the runners speed can speed blitz SS.
Originally posted by galan7777777
and surfer does? u have to remember that all the runner/surfer need is one shot at hal and its all over
One shot? Are you joking? You obviously do not know much about Hal then from that statement.
If anything Hal would overpower SS going by his emerald twilight feats (pre parallax)
Originally posted by Jesse7
Hals ring showed no limitations, to the point of containing the big bang, the ring is only limited with will which Hal had plenty of, going by feats and what he showed he had no limits at his best.Secondly SS has shown limits with his powers, so dont act as if SS is infinite in anyway in power or energy.
uhmmm...that was kyle's ring not hal's.
Originally posted by galan7777777
the runner has moved as such speeds that it was thought he was using the space gem to achieve these speeds (which he wasnt)
As Avalon has said the Runner vs Flash race thread, it was shown that the runner was using the gem the whole time without knowing it.
Flash by feats has out sped and out moved instant warping, Flash not only can instantly trascend time but also space as shown in his race with death.
And as shown by what Thanos did to the runner, the runner is not immune to Time manipulation.
Originally posted by Jesse7u talk about the runner like he's slow lol! he has moved so fast it was thought he was using the space gem and with this gem someone can be anywhere or nowhere in an instant. One can even be in multiple places, or can move any object anywhere throughout the cosmos. One can also warp or rearrange space as they see fit to suit their purposes. (but it was revealed he wasnt using the gem to achieve such speeds)
The fastest speed shown on panel that SS has moved at was 300 million times the speed of light, Flash has on panel instantly (didnt need acceleration) was able to move at and do things twentry trillion times the speed of light, SS is not going to even be able to react to this if some one of the runners speed can speed blitz SS.
Originally posted by galan7777777
u talk about the runner like he's slow lol! he has moved so fast it was thought he was using the space gem and with this gem someone can be anywhere or nowhere in an instant. One can even be in multiple places, or can move any object anywhere throughout the cosmos. One can also warp or rearrange space as they see fit to suit their purposes. (but it was revealed he wasnt using the gem to achieve such speeds)
Again you ignore on panel evidence, it was shown that the runner was using the gem the whole time even when he didnt know or thought he wasnt using it.
Secondly show me a scan that shows the runner has matter manipulation on the level of Hal or that matter SS, speculation doesn't hold much grounds in a debate, use on panel feats.
Flash on the other hand has stolden herald and skyfather, and even higher beings, kinitic energy.