Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't seen that much.I have seen him through plot devices and the ever infamous, "I hunger" stage, getting his butt rocked.
I'll concede he was Normal (Fed) when PF defeated him.
But like I said Normal G = a Star or Sun
Originally posted by Rols
Wasnt there a Phoenix in every Universes or are there 1 phoenix in the entirely Marvel Multiverse?
There is a Pheonix Avatar in every Universe, their purpose is to heal certain ailments that befall Universes.
There is One White Pheonix of the Crown, which is Jean Grey (the Most powerful version)
Jean is Universal, but below Eternity
Originally posted by Rols
Thought Phoenix was Multiversal which makes him/her higher in the food chain than Eternity..
Phoenix has never demonstrated any Multi-versal Feat On panel.
Originally posted by Rols
Wasnt Jean phoenix gave someone universal power then created a universe, it was one of the X-men issues? Classic one, but i really dont remember the full story .. Thats why i thought she was multiversal..
That has never happened.
You must be talking about when Phoenix gave Mastermind momentary Universal omniscience.
That hardly compares to destroying, remaking or creating a Universe.
Quick question Masterman?
When the White Crown Phoenix manipulated the 616 in Xmen Forever or whatever, didn't that mean she was holding 616 Eternity and Galactus in her hands?
Doesn't that mean she could've destroyed it if she wished, or something along those lines??
Eternity is the Master of his house, ie 616.
But when someone is capable of holding my house in his/her/its hands, i'd consider them a bit above me.
Or is that line of thought flawed??
Originally posted by Mr Master
That has never happened.You must be talking about when Phoenix gave Mastermind momentary Universal omniscience.
That hardly compares to destroying, remaking or creating a Universe.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Quick question Masterman?
When the White Crown Phoenix manipulated the 616 in Xmen Forever or whatever, didn't that mean she was holding 616 Eternity and Galactus in her hands?
Doesn't that mean she could've destroyed it if she wished, or something along those lines??Eternity is the Master of his house, ie 616.
But when someone is capable of holding my house in his/her/its hands, i'd consider them a bit above me.
Or is that line of thought flawed??
Not flawed at all, it makes perfect sense.
The thing is Jean Never manupulated 616 Universe in her hands or anywhere else.
From X-Men #154
A Bacteria called Sublime, took over Hank's (Beast) mind, and a portion of Phoenix's power
Here Sublime thinks he will control creation with Phoenix's power and his own.
But actually Phoenix was disinfecting the Bacteria while Sublime was killing other X-Men
Here Phoenix extracts Sublime from Hank's body
Phoenix SAYS, "SURGERY COMPLETE"
Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"
Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"
Jean then asks, "Now What"?
Ok,
We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed, but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.
And NOW, Phoenix is asking what's next? Or more specifically, "Now What"?
It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the Future)
It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point apparently.
Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died), the ONLY thing that has ENDED is the Future since Phoenix Amputated it.
It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot (It's a hospital for Universes)
This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired, because it HAS NO Future since Phoenix Amputated it.
Jean loses concentration and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"
"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉
Now after that, we end up with this.
It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?"....... of WHAT Atoms?
The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.
It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.
This leads to this, and as you can read, has nothing to do with the former.
It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey is just as LOST as I am.
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
It TELLS Phoenix WHAT that means,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's just telling Jean the outcome of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"
the Future that is Now,
this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
What is "Phoenix Work"?
Amputating the Future and then Repairing it.
I thought it was an injured Universe she repaired atom by atom, but EVIDENTLY NOT.
Continues in the next post...
So now I understand why this joker says, "if you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"
He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"
Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT.
He also says, "If it was me, I'd let it DIE"
I was fooled into believing he was talking about the Orphan Universe", but in fact he's talking about the Future Phoenix wants to replace it with.
So Phoenix decides to give it a different Future, so that Henry's heart won't be broken, and Scott does not succumb to loneliness", ect..ect..
"Live Scott"
Now how did she do that?...How did Phoenix ALTER the Future?
Did she snap her fingers and it happened?...NO
Did she think it and it happened?...NO
Did she speak it into happening?...NO
She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma
In order to prevent the events of "Here comes tomorrow"
A little Mind control, some Time travel, and you can Alter the Future too.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Again, terrible.
Galactus was created as a neutral, non-moral, ultimate in the universe, just for the sole purpose of protecting the universe from something that Only Galactus could stop.
That was the original story.
Full power Galactus should ace everybody. Period. That is what he was created to do.
He was not created as an "ultimate" in the universe. He had a hell of a time with a living planet. A meal that bites back ... ouch. And who can forget how he ran from his life while crying like a baby when Thor hit him with the hammer and then shot him with the god blast. He would have died then and there had he not escaped in his ship.
Galactus was created to maintain the balance between life and death. That is his purpose, when Galactus is not Jobbering he is a force to be reckoned with plain and simple. Galactus at normal levels can handel anybody equal or below him as long he is not jobbering, not saying Galactus in not beatable but he shouldn't jo too beings not as powerfl as him.
Full powered Galactus will kill Celestails with ease, even on normal levels he can take out quite a few Celestails, with his technology and UN he kills them all.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
He was not created as an "ultimate" in the universe. He had a hell of a time with a living planet. A meal that bites back ... ouch. And who can forget how he ran from his life while crying like a baby when Thor hit him with the hammer and then shot him with the god blast. He would have died then and there had he not escaped in his ship.
Dude, way back when, his story was that he was the top of the pyramid. The most powerful being in the universe.
I'm not saying that things haven't happened to negate that. I'm just stating his origins.
Way back, when the writers at Marvel pretty much stuck to the pseudo-Christian ideal of a triumverate, the highest powers were supposed to be Eternity, Death and Galactus.
Sure, that has changed, but at the time, Galactus was supposed to be the baddest of the bad.
I still think that he has the potential to stay true to those levels, and can ace anybody out there, on a good day.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Galactus was created to maintain the balance between life and death. That is his purpose, when Galactus is not Jobbering he is a force to be reckoned with plain and simple. Galactus at normal levels can handel anybody equal or below him as long he is not jobbering, not saying Galactus in not beatable but he shouldn't jo too beings not as powerfl as him.Full powered Galactus will kill Celestails with ease, even on normal levels he can take out quite a few Celestails, with his technology and UN he kills them all.
Fine, but Phoenix is above Celestials.
**FI**
Hey ive got those scanned, never though about those issue, totally agree with you there...
He was not created as an "ultimate" in the universe. He had a hell of a time with a living planet. A meal that bites back ... ouch. And who can forget how he ran from his life while crying like a baby when Thor hit him with the hammer and then shot him with the god blast. He would have died then and there had he not escaped in his ship.
