Shadowcat vs Wolverine

Started by riceroost13 pages
riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Whoever wrote that "Adamantium hurts Kitty" comic is crazy. I could get you dozen scans where Kitty phases Wolverine and his adamantium pre-and-post Apocalypse right now...even when Wolverine tries to slash her and doesn't do any damage.
For the record, CHRIS CLAREMONT is the man who introduced adamantium hurting Kitty Pryde in Wolverine # 125. Have fun arguing with the guy that created the character. He retconned her ability to phase adamantium, much like Wolverine's claws cutting Hulk was retconned. Originally he couldn't. Later they retconned this and it was explained that he did, Hulk just heals that fast. Erik Larsen is the one who had her phase through adamantium during Deathverine. Larsen is not anywhere near as knowledgable as Claremont when it comes to Kitty Pryde. Doesn't matter as Wolverine beat her there anyway. After the Deathverine I am told she hurt herself phasing through X-23, so it seems to still be relevant.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics
Originally posted by riceroost
For the record, CHRIS CLAREMONT is the man who introduced adamantium hurting Kitty Pryde
Yeah, I don't see how that invalidates this comment:
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Whoever wrote that "Adamantium hurts Kitty" comic is crazy.
Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by riceroost
He retconned her ability to phase adamantium, much like Wolverine's claws cutting Hulk was retconned. Originally he couldn't. Later they retconned this and it was explained that he did, Hulk just heals that fast.

That wasn't necessarily a retcon. The Hulk he fought when it was stated he couldn't cut him wa Savage. The version he he was fighting when he said he COULD cut him was Grey Hulk.

Big difference.

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No it actually doesn't the speed of thought already works at such a fast rate....it's enough to detect a change in the enviroment especially when you have animal-like senses...which alert you to events happening far away....
When your mental process is quick enough to comprehend something moving at LIGHT SPEED and allow you to move your body fast enough to get out of the way you let me know. No human thought process is that fast.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
See scans above

Your scans above prove absolutely nothing. You have 1 scan of Psylocke being injured trying to probe Sabretooth's mind when she was plugged into CEREBRO. Of course she is going to hurt herself. Cerebro amplified her mental powers to the point that she hurt herself being exposed to his mind. Normally she is nowhere near that sensitive. Like when she fought Wolverine as Lady Mandarin.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I said...250 260 ish meaning it was in between those two....firstly Betsy's telepathy was weakened after she switched bodies...and secondly his Animal brain patterns make it him hard to probe...not to mention his weapon X Psi shields...

She gave no such indication that she couldn't read his thoughts in that fight. That is a complete fabrication on your part. The only thing mentioned at all in that fight was Wolverine explaining why she couldn't predict him. (thought and action are 1) She obviously could read his mind since she says point blank that she was reading his mind. This fight had NOTHING to do with any animal instincts on his part. And if Wolverine's weapon X shields were so great then why is he constantly being overpowered by telepaths?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
An exaggeration of his so called powers...Wolverine needs to think to do anything..again it's been stated time and time again that his animal like mind prevents telepaths from probing him.
Claremont says what his powers are. Claremont said , that's how it is. And according to his own words and the word of the telepathic cuckoos he does not need to think before he acts.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She's dead even when he can't hurt her while she's underground?
How the hell is she going to hurt him when she's underground? My point is even if he's standing right in front of her his training is so rediculous he can hide in plain sight. She would not know he was standing there. Just like Nightcrawler didn't.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And DC provided scans of Kitty phasing through Adamantium...she takes it...
And I could provide just as many scans of her not phasing through adamantium, or being badly hurt doing it.

Your belief about Wolverine's thought process is wrong.

Uncanny X-Men # 257:

Psylocke: "With my telepathy I know your moves before you make them."

ACTION: Psylocke misses a kick and then gets slashed twice before she can do anything.

Wolverine: "What's the matter Lady? Never fought a body to whom thought and action are one?"

Synopsis - Psylocke was in Wolverine's mind. She can't predict his moves. Wolverine says why.

X-Men: Phoenix Warsong:

Action: Wolverine and the telepathic Phoebe are stick fighting.

Wolverine: "Nice dodge. Reading my mind?"

Phoebe: "Might have tried that yesterday, but you're not consciously thinking every time you strike."

Action: Wolverine hits Phoebe with his stick.

Synopsis: Phoebe admits she has tried to predict his moves in the past, but it is futile as he does not need to consciously think to strike.

Grimm22 King of the Castle
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oh don't get me wrong, Kitty would kick Wolverine's ass. I'm just saying that Wolverine is superfast... even in Astonishing X-Men (where he is nothing but comic relef) Danger clocked his attack at taking .3 seconds (where he lunges across the room at her) and it says right be side it "Sub-max Volicity" meaning he could have gone faster.

Nothing but comic relief?!? 😕

What do you call all the action stuff he's done 🤨

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by Accel
That wasn't necessarily a retcon. The Hulk he fought when it was stated he couldn't cut him wa Savage. The version he he was fighting when he said he COULD cut him was Grey Hulk. Big difference.
It was a retcon. He was thinking back to the Savage Hulk fight and realized that he had been cutting Savage Hulk, Hulk hust healed so fast it hadn't looked like his slashes had cut him. Originally Wolverine's claws couldn't cut through squat. He couldn't cut green hulk, rocks, or metal. He has cut all 3.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah, I don't see how that invalidates this comment:
I dont care if Claremont is crazy, he's X-God and what he says goes. IE: Kitty as far as his last work with the character can't phase through adamantium without losing her phasing ability or being badly hurt.

Grimm22 King of the Castle
Originally posted by wolvertooth
wolverine kills shadowcat he almost killed tanos and galactu shadowcat is dead

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Did you just say that Wolverine could kill Galactus or Thanos?!?!!

Grimm22 King of the Castle
Originally posted by wolvertooth
your family are all drunk idiots... your mother is a whore and guess what? your paps is a druck jerk... Lol your all family are f*gs

Kid I swear to god if I ever met you in real life I would teach you some manors

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by riceroost
It was a retcon. He was thinking back to the Savage Hulk fight and realized that he had been cutting Savage Hulk, Hulk hust healed so fast it hadn't looked like his slashes had cut him. Originally Wolverine's claws couldn't cut through squat. He couldn't cut green hulk, rocks, or

When he referenced to the Hulk's healing factor, increasing strength, and increasing durability, he was referring to the Grey Hulk, as he saw it all in action at that point.

Grimm22 King of the Castle
Originally posted by riceroost

I dont care if Claremont is crazy, he's X-God and what he says goes. IE: Kitty as far as his last work with the character can't phase through adamantium without losing her phasing ability or being badly hurt.

Claremont is also a crazy old man, who was a jerk to John Bryne 😐

You may as well say that everything Stan Lee says is correct

and Stan Lee also said the X-men could beat the JLA...

Grimm22 King of the Castle
Originally posted by riceroost
When your mental process is quick enough to comprehend something moving at LIGHT SPEED and allow you to move your body fast enough to get out of the way you let me know. No human thought process is that fast.

😱 😱 😱 😆 😆 hystericalhysterical

Yes Apparently Wolverine now moves at Light Speed?!?! 🤨

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

1. Yes, he does need to think to act. It's frankly moronic to say otherwise. The brain controls the body's movements. He may not be fore-planning movements, he still needs to think to move.

2. Yay, lasers. Everybody and their grandmother dodges lasers.

3. She feels pain. She isn't actually injured. She can phase through a hyperdense substance with a submolecular shift specifically designed to keep her out for a long time to pull out Stuff, but she can't phase through claws for even a second. Ridiculous.

Even if adamantium pains her she's bloodlusted she can fight through it and just rip out his heart and brain.

Besides a perfectly viable option is available in just phasing the ground around her.

Brian Oswald Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Whoever wrote that "Adamantium hurts Kitty" comic is crazy. I could get you dozen scans where Kitty phases Wolverine and his adamantium pre-and-post Apocalypse right now...even when Wolverine tries to slash her and doesn't do any damage.

Anyway, Shadowcat phases Wolverine's heart and intacts it to his brain for the niftiest trick, or just phases him to ground for the least niftiest one.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/751/80fightssilver7ps7.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7417/87awaytokillheartol1.jpg

For that Wolverine stuff, here are few examples, taken from different comics and different eras...
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3097/28vswolverine4wa8.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6600/35phasesbeforetrainzy8.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4314/65fightsdeath1iq4.jpg


Plus he is one of the people she is phasing right here: http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/640/640853/astonishing-x-men-20050810080531960.jpg

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She feels pain. She isn't actually injured. She can phase through a hyperdense substance with a submolecular shift specifically designed to keep her out for a long time to pull out Stuff, but she can't phase through claws for even a second. Ridiculous.

Well, given the situation saying she was highly motivated at the time would be an understatement. A mother saving their child isn't a mindset Kitty is usually in and even normal human mothers can insane things to save their children when properly motivated. Anywho, phasing through adamantium should be similar to that situation though... minus the whole shifting molecules thing, as in she can do it but it strains her body.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A mother saving their child isn't a mindset Kitty is usually in and even normal human mothers can insane things to save their children when properly motivated. .
Women do insane things anyways. 😛

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Women do insane things anyways. 😛

True enough

Oh, CM I'm holding off on replying to your post in the Captain America vs Wolverine thread for awhile. I tried writing a responce twice but I can't seem to do it would saying not so nice things that might get me in trouble.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

There's no reason it would cause her to have to maintain a tangible state though. She's been shown to be intangible when unconscious. If pain was meant to cause her to become tangible, then she should do so when the pain hits i.e. while phasing into the substance and they would fuse molecules.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's no reason it would cause her to have to maintain a tangible state though. She's been shown to be intangible when unconscious. If pain was meant to cause her to become tangible, then she should do so when the pain hits i.e. while phasing into the substance and they would fuse molecules.

She appearently remains tangible while she sleeps though... Bah! Too much contration!

How does Kitty solidify hear arm inside of someone with out having her arm fuse with the person? 😕

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She appearently remains tangible while she sleeps though... Bah! Too much contration!

How does Kitty solidify hear arm inside of someone with out having her arm fuse with the person? 😕

It's probably instinctual exactly how much of her body is phased down to the atomic level.

When she has the big O and loses concentration she goes intangible.. 😖

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's probably instinctual exactly how much of her body is phased down to the atomic level.

When she has the big O and loses concentration she goes intangible.. 😖

Marvel should pay KMC Rumblers to review all their scripts before they head to the penciler so we can chew apart all the inaccuracies and make sure every thing stays straight.