Shadowcat vs Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's probably instinctual exactly how much of her body is phased down to the atomic level.
When she has the big O and loses concentration she goes intangible.. 😖

It's all one big plot device really... on both sides. She can but she can't, then she can again, but can't to him.

Brian Oswald Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She appearently remains tangible while she sleeps though... Bah! Too much contration!
How does Kitty solidify hear arm inside of someone with out having her arm fuse with the person? 😕

I think she just makes her finger tips solid

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by riceroost
When your mental process is quick enough to comprehend something moving at LIGHT SPEED and allow you to move your body fast enough to get out of the way you let me know. No human thought process is that fast.

When you have animal instincts which let you sense certain changes in the enviroment...then yes you can anticipate the attack...for example a tidal wave...animals can sense vibrations that even humans can't sense...and get out of danger before it occurs...his heightened sense of smell...can pick up almost anyone..his hearing...makes him extra sensitive...etc He can even smell if people are lying...

In any event if his thought equalled action he would never get hit by lesser beings...but he does....and quite often...

Your scans above prove absolutely nothing. You have 1 scan of Psylocke being injured trying to probe Sabretooth's mind when she was plugged into CEREBRO. Of course she is going to hurt herself. Cerebro amplified her mental powers to the point that she hurt herself being exposed to his mind. Normally she is nowhere near that sensitive. Like when she fought Wolverine as Lady Mandarin.

Look at the description she gives of his mind....Beast like...they both let go of their humanity....she even comments on how hard it is to breach his psi-defenses hence the psi-blasts being deflected comment....

She gave no such indication that she couldn't read his thoughts in that fight. That is a complete fabrication on your part.
The only thing mentioned at all in that fight was Wolverine explaining why she couldn't predict him. (thought and action are 1) She obviously could read his mind since she says point blank that she was reading his mind. This fight had NOTHING to do with any animal instincts on his part. And if Wolverine's weapon X shields were so great then why is he constantly being overpowered by telepaths?

Probing is different to Mind Blasting...getting information of someone via probing is hard....mind blasting and subconscience reflex shut down has a completely different theory behind it...unless you're Cassandra Nova...most telepaths have a hard time probing him.

Claremont says what his powers are. Claremont said , that's how it is. And according to his own words and the word of the telepathic cuckoos he does not need to think before he acts.

In Warsong...she says

""Might have tried that yesterday, but you're not consciously thinking every time you strike.""

It means he's done it so often it's second nature to him....he strikes on a subconsciously level when in battle...but that doesn't mean his thought is action....she also says she's picking up information...suggesting that during combat with telepaths he disguises the outer parts of his conscience thoughts , which confuse telepaths..

How the hell is she going to hurt him when she's underground? My point is even if he's standing right in front of her his training is so rediculous he can hide in plain sight. She would not know he was standing there. Just like Nightcrawler didn't.
And I could provide just as many scans of her not phasing through adamantium, or being badly hurt doing it.

Um not really you read AXM #17 yet? Kitty has trained a year an a half now..she does not get knocked out by dense alloys anymore..it hurts her but it does not force her to go intangible....she figured how to by pass the spinning, shape-shifting alloy.

Your belief about Wolverine's thought process is wrong.
Uncanny X-Men # 257:
Psylocke: "With my telepathy I know your moves before you make them."
ACTION: Psylocke misses a kick and then gets slashed twice before she can do anything.
Wolverine: "What's the matter Lady? Never fought a body to whom thought and action are one?"
Synopsis - Psylocke was in Wolverine's mind. She can't predict his moves. Wolverine says why.
X-Men: Phoenix Warsong:
Action: Wolverine and the telepathic Phoebe are stick fighting.
Wolverine: "Nice dodge. Reading my mind?"
Phoebe: "Might have tried that yesterday, but you're not consciously thinking every time you strike."
Action: Wolverine hits Phoebe with his stick.
Synopsis: Phoebe admits she has tried to predict his moves in the past, but it is futile as he does not need to consciously think to strike. [/B]

If that's the case then I believe Warsong just answered your question...Wolverine can disguise his thoughts....he doesn't need to consciously be aware that he's hitting someone..because it's so natural to him...it's like breathing...his thoughts occur at a subconsiously level. So if a telepath wanted to read his movements they'd have to look at a subconscience level...that's why Phoebe goes wait I'm picking up all kinds of new thoughts...add his resistance to probing and Weapon X resistance to probing and you have someone who's very hard to probe telepathically. A Mind Blast is a completely different story....

And again if he was capable of actually speedblitzing a person before they can generate one thought....he wouldn't get knocked out by beings whose reflexes are lesser...

complexbrother The protector of logic

she beat him twice. I don't see why she can't do it again.

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She appearently remains tangible while she sleeps though... Bah! Too much contration!
How does Kitty solidify hear arm inside of someone with out having her arm fuse with the person? 😕

Well she can just pull a vision and only turn parts of her intangible to the degree where they can hurt others without having to fuse molocules

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
When you have animal instincts which let you sense certain changes in the enviroment...then yes you can anticipate the attack...for example a tidal wave...animals can sense vibrations that even humans can't sense...and get out of danger before it occurs...his heightened sense of smell...can pick up almost anyone..his hearing...makes him extra sensitive...etc He can even smell if people are lying...
In any event if his thought equalled action he would never get hit by lesser beings...but he does....and quite often...
Look at the description she gives of his mind....Beast like...they both let go of their humanity....she even comments on how hard it is to breach his psi-defenses hence the psi-blasts being deflected comment....
Probing is different to Mind Blasting...getting information of someone via probing is hard....mind blasting and subconscience reflex shut down has a completely different theory behind it...unless you're Cassandra Nova...most telepaths have a hard time probing him.
In Warsong...she says
""Might have tried that yesterday, but you're not consciously thinking every time you strike.""
It means he's done it so often it's second nature to him....he strikes on a subconsciously level when in battle...but that doesn't mean his thought is action....she also says she's picking up information...suggesting that during combat with telepaths he disguises the outer parts of his conscience thoughts , which confuse telepaths..
Um not really you read AXM #17 yet? Kitty has trained a year an a half now..she does not get knocked out by dense alloys anymore..it hurts her but it does not force her to go intangible....she figured how to by pass the spinning, shape-shifting alloy.
If that's the case then I believe Warsong just answered your question...Wolverine can disguise his thoughts....he doesn't need to consciously be aware that he's hitting someone..because it's so natural to him...it's like breathing...his thoughts occur at a subconsiously level. So if a telepath wanted to read his movements they'd have to look at a subconscience level...that's why Phoebe goes wait I'm picking up all kinds of new thoughts...add his resistance to probing and Weapon X resistance to probing and you have someone who's very hard to probe telepathically. A Mind Blast is a completely different story....
And again if he was capable of actually speedblitzing a person before they can generate one thought....he wouldn't get knocked out by beings whose reflexes are lesser...

I agree with with most of this just like to point out that according to Wolverine 46 he has level 9 psi-blockers installed in his brain and you need to be at least as powerful as Emma to get in with out his permission.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well she can just pull a vision and only turn parts of her intangible to the degree where they can hurt others without having to fuse molocules

Perhaps, but those parts should still become fused with his enemy even if they are only small portions of his body... but for some reason they don't so I guess there is not point debating it. *shrugs* I was just curious.

hunter_blake05 [IMG]http://images.killer

of course its kitty... what for if wolverine can heal himself unless kitty did'nt affect by any of his attack by her phasing ability.....

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

She already showed in the What If issue recently, that she can instantly kill Wolverine by phasing her hand or another object in his skull with no ill affect...besides losing a limb.

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by Draco69
She already showed in the What If issue recently, that she can instantly kill Wolverine by phasing her hand or another object in his skull with no ill affect...besides losing a limb.

That was the saving grace of that issue ✅

Everything else was just complete crap

I mean, Wolverine killing not only Sue, but freakin' Magneto?!?!

Hell a crippled Cap did better than Sue and Mags?!?!

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by Grimm22
That was the saving grace of that issue ✅
Everything else was just complete crap
I mean, Wolverine killing not only Sue, but freakin' Magneto?!?!
Hell a crippled Cap did better than Sue and Mags?!?!

Mags was unable to multitask.... 😛 That's a first....

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Mags was unable to multitask.... 😛 That's a first....

I wonder if Batdude picked up that issue 😆

Blair Wind The Iron Avenger

Originally posted by Draco69
She already showed in the What If issue recently, that she can instantly kill Wolverine by phasing her hand or another object in his skull with no ill affect...besides losing a limb.

✅

Shadowcat can be very deadly

Grimm22 King of the Castle

I still don't know why she was bleading after that 😬

She wouldn't be bleading, her hand would just be a stump

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

What exactly did she do? Why didn't she just extend her phasing and pull his brain out? Or phase the ground around him and watch him sink to his death.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly did she do? Why didn't she just extend her phasing and pull his brain out? Or phase the ground around him and watch him sink to his death.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Uh... that made no sense. At all.

Bald Bugger Restricted

Arguement over. That was stupid BTW. Why wasn't Magneto not killing him ?