Originally posted by bigbran
Like moving the Wheels of Magedon, both of them lifted Spectre.
Throwing ships, the size of asteroids around.
Please tell how Hulk is stronger.
Destroying asteroids the size of planets, clapping cosmos, punching time storms, resisting the anti matter forces, oh i dont know.
And WW together with SM stopped Spectre from falling, or better yet, they tried. There was no lift there.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Generally the adjective used to describe that characteristic is "longer".
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QUOTE=7387463]Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not the 10 punches. If she spaced them out, his strength would quickly increase, and he could match her. It's the fact that there would be 10 of them in a second that would do him in. Imagine being punched by someone that was only equal in strength than you, 10 times in one second. You'd be KO'd for sure. And I think that if Thor or Herc punched him 10 times in a second, they'd KO him to.
But as far as examples of her Superior strength to his base, we have things like her and Supes lifting the Spectre(yes I know that you said feats she accomplished on her own, but the Omac files, Batman, and Superman himself have all acknowledged that she is right there with Supes in the strength department, so don't act like he was supporting all of the weight), and the huge ass asteroid she managed to catch(this one was by herself). Plus it's acknowledged that she's stronger than DC's Hercules, and has the strength of the Earth itself. Now you might not accept that as proof, but it's as proven as Hulks strength actually being unlimited(as in, it's acknowledged by the company, but it's a little hard to put on paper to show).
Now if speed wasn't a factor in the fight, it would be a lot closer, cause like I said, 10 shots in the face in a second would KO someone even if there strength was really close.[/QUOTE]
1- That infinite mass punch thingie its something ive seen the Flash doing, not Diana. Examples of Diana speedblitzing someone from the get go and beating him/her that way, please.
2- I know she is "rigth there". Rigth there as in the same ballpark. But that wasent what i asked. With all this notion shes -way- stronger than base Hulk i want to read her great strength feats. The ones she can do without help. That one, not only she had help but there was no lift either.
That asteroid was island lvl. Thats something Thor/Hulk/Herc have all done.
Stronger than DC Hercules? Most writters post crisis of her, never showed it. In fact id like another list of things she did when he was around, that showed her as stronger in comparation. Not that it matters much because the Marvel one is above his counterpart to this day, Imo.
Im curious to see that on another debate here, theyr using Thor in character (i.e as he usually battles in comics) to give Diana the winz, but here it doesnt happen. Hum.
Originally posted by olympianHe's too slow.
QUOTE=7387463]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]It's not the 10 punches. If she spaced them out, his strength would quickly increase, and he could match her. It's the fact that there would be 10 of them in a second that would do him in. Imagine being punched by someone that was only equal in strength than you, 10 times in one second. You'd be KO'd for sure. And I think that if Thor or Herc punched him 10 times in a second, they'd KO him to.But as far as examples of her Superior strength to his base, we have things like her and Supes lifting the Spectre(yes I know that you said feats she accomplished on her own, but the Omac files, Batman, and Superman himself have all acknowledged that she is right there with Supes in the strength department, so don't act like he was supporting all of the weight), and the huge ass asteroid she managed to catch(this one was by herself). Plus it's acknowledged that she's stronger than DC's Hercules, and has the strength of the Earth itself. Now you might not accept that as proof, but it's as proven as Hulks strength actually being unlimited(as in, it's acknowledged by the company, but it's a little hard to put on paper to show).
Now if speed wasn't a factor in the fight, it would be a lot closer, cause like I said, 10 shots in the face in a second would KO someone even if there strength was really close.
1- That infinite mass punch thingie its something ive seen the Flash doing, not Diana. Examples of Diana speedblitzing someone from the get go and beating him/her that way, please.
2- I know she is "rigth there". Rigth there as in the same ballpark. But that wasent what i asked. With all this notion shes -way- stronger than base Hulk i want to read her great strength feats. The ones she can do without help. That one, not only she had help but there was no lift either.
That asteroid was island lvl. Thats something Thor/Hulk/Herc have all done.
Stronger than DC Hercules? Most writters post crisis of her, never showed it. In fact id like another list of things she did when he was around, that showed her as stronger in comparation. Not that it matters much because the Marvel one is above his counterpart to this day, Imo.
Im curious to see that on another debate here, theyr using Thor in character (i.e as he usually battles in comics) to give Diana the winz, but here it doesnt happen. Hum.
Originally posted by olympianWho are "they"?
Its not the result thats ironic, its the two distinct debate styles going around at the same time. They say one thing here and do the other over there.Pure gold material.
Hulk is relatively one-dimensional with regard to his powerset.
WW has advantages in speed, reflexes, skills, manoeuvrability and weaponry. Her durability to blunt force - the only means by which Hulk can really attack - is considerable and her strength is sufficient.
Thor is more versatile still.
Pure high strength brawlers generally shouldn't really be competing with any of the JLA 7 except for Batman without prep.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Asteroids are also called planetoids or minor planets. One the size of a planet should probably just be called a planet. Then again they just downgraded Pluto and my dear Xena.
I read up on the subject a little. I think it has more to do with connotations than anything. Besides, they mention the word asteroid because calling it a planet is not specific enough. Conventional planets don't usually threaten to crash into something.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Who are "they"?Hulk is relatively one-dimensional with regard to his powerset.
WW has advantages in speed, reflexes, skills, manoeuvrability and weaponry. Her durability to blunt force - the only means by which Hulk can really attack - is considerable and her strength is sufficient.
Thor is more versatile still.
Pure high strength brawlers generally shouldn't really be competing with any of the JLA 7 except for Batman without prep.
They = Thor vs WW tread.
Im not even going to argue the "shoulds". Yeah, yeah. The main problem is that characters arent only about powerset, but what they do with it. Hulk is alot less versatible than Supes, but has beaten guys alike his powerset because of the way he uses his stuff.
This is the very reason why handbooks or secret files, suck to the bone. Comics arent a set of powerset grades to determin who should win or not. They are based on characters, how they use the stuff. The power debate is there but its obviously not -just- that.
Why, by your logic Spiderman should never be the comic star he is based only of his powerset. Want to answer, why he is?
Maybe because the way he uses it makes it so effective? Maybe thats a new word we should learn today.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but how does that automatically equate to it = the weight of the earth? I'm just curios....
It doesnt. My answer was to a poster that said the Serpent was smaller in comparation with the Earth, when Thor did that feat. The Serpent was cleary bigger, but thats in length not mass.
most will say that when a 1-dimensional character like hulk beats a multi-dimensional character like ww or thor, that pis is involved. would ww beat him every time in a comic? no chance. they'd likely split or fight to draws. but here we try to look past the 'showings' i think you're alluding to, oly. taking out who they've beaten and looking strictly at power, ww SHOULD win the bulk of these fights, though i don't think it impossible for hulk to tag her, stun her and inish her -- especially if he's angry enough.
Originally posted by olympian
QUOTE=7387463]Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]It's not the 10 punches. If she spaced them out, his strength would quickly increase, and he could match her. It's the fact that there would be 10 of them in a second that would do him in. Imagine being punched by someone that was only equal in strength than you, 10 times in one second. You'd be KO'd for sure. And I think that if Thor or Herc punched him 10 times in a second, they'd KO him to.But as far as examples of her Superior strength to his base, we have things like her and Supes lifting the Spectre(yes I know that you said feats she accomplished on her own, but the Omac files, Batman, and Superman himself have all acknowledged that she is right there with Supes in the strength department, so don't act like he was supporting all of the weight), and the huge ass asteroid she managed to catch(this one was by herself). Plus it's acknowledged that she's stronger than DC's Hercules, and has the strength of the Earth itself. Now you might not accept that as proof, but it's as proven as Hulks strength actually being unlimited(as in, it's acknowledged by the company, but it's a little hard to put on paper to show).
Now if speed wasn't a factor in the fight, it would be a lot closer, cause like I said, 10 shots in the face in a second would KO someone even if there strength was really close.
1- That infinite mass punch thingie its something ive seen the Flash doing, not Diana. Examples of Diana speedblitzing someone from the get go and beating him/her that way, please.
2- I know she is "rigth there". Rigth there as in the same ballpark. But that wasent what i asked. With all this notion shes -way- stronger than base Hulk i want to read her great strength feats. The ones she can do without help. That one, not only she had help but there was no lift either.
That asteroid was island lvl. Thats something Thor/Hulk/Herc have all done.
Stronger than DC Hercules? Most writters post crisis of her, never showed it. In fact id like another list of things she did when he was around, that showed her as stronger in comparation. Not that it matters much because the Marvel one is above his counterpart to this day, Imo.
Im curious to see that on another debate here, theyr using Thor in character (i.e as he usually battles in comics) to give Diana the winz, but here it doesnt happen. Hum.[/B][/QUOTE]
I never said that Diana could use an IMP, what are you talking about.
But
If your that big on feats as proof, then why don't you come up with some feats of Professer Hulks that happened at his base level, so that the rest of us, now what will qualify as proof of her supperior strength over his base.
Wonder Woman's durability to blunt force is decent, as she can take a hit from Superman without being KOed, but I honestly wouldn't even put it as equal to her strength level. She gets hurt by attacks from Batman, Deathstroke, Cheetah, etc. I've in fact seen her leap out of the way of an elephant's stomp. She'd definately be feeling a hit from Professor Hulk, IMO.
Beyond that, I'll stay out of this debate.