Originally posted by olympian
2/10?In a FIST figth?
Man, this thread has just gone to hell now. You`ve got to be kidding!
Oh, and since you asked: http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96073
Originally posted by olympian
She doesnt depower herself, she holds back when she needs like any other hero who knows how to use/control her powers.You still think she can tap more strenght from the Earth if she wants to, dont you?
Maybe you might wanna read some WW books. She gets extra power from the Gods ALL of the time. Or did you read the book where she used the Earth to give her an infinite Healing factor against Decay?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Island thing is very impressive. Actually all of his abilities are. But I don't see anything he's done that WW has not. WW actually Caught a meteor that was Falling. It takes greater strength to stop an object on a trajectory and then move it in the opposite Direction. The hulk's Island Feat was moving a stationary object. Impressive non the less. He deserves 4/10 from me seeing that thread.
When has WW ever done planet moving level stuff under her own strength again?
" I dont see anything WW hasent done "
This part is enlighting. So she has closed down time storms and the like? You cant really say shes covered every demostration of feats Hulk have.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Maybe you might wanna read some WW books. She gets extra power from the Gods ALL of the time. Or did you read the book where she used the Earth to give her an infinite Healing factor against Decay?
The one where she used the lasso to channel the Earth? Thats the extra power?
What does that have to do with your claim that she has a dinamic strength level anytime she wants to? When did she showed that ability? You make it sound like all she has to do is touch the Earth and she gets stronger if she wishes it.
Originally posted by olympian
Prof- Merged Hulk track record consisted in having fougth those, including also Wonder Man and Classic Juggernaut. Even if he wasent at base level, considering that since the start of the respective figths he did well against them, how low you would think his base is?
Originally posted by olympian
When has WW ever done planet moving level stuff under her own strength again?" I dont see anything WW hasent done "
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She Stopped a meteor the size of an island, bigger, you couldn't even see her under all of it, and she had no strain at all. This was under her own power. Terra was standing on a huge rock already. And if you look at the size of the Meteor WW cuaght compared to the rock terra was on, you can clearly see that the meteor WW cuaght was like the size of hawii Island or something.
Originally posted by olympianI tend not to give arbitrary /10 values. The majority is of the import.
A comic book versus forum that has its basis where, comics or handbooks? I have no problem whatsoever with saying you think a more versatible character will have the advantage, because it naturaly will. Its by saying that a brick has NO chances to win that your naturally wrong, unless you dont use the handbook logic.The way you describe the rules makes it handbook reasoning. And i surely belive it isent what its intended, otherwise Rhino cant be a jobber based on powerset alone and neither can Superman stand to guys above his "class". How we know those two are wrong? Yeah, because we take those examples from comics.
Comics are the source material, but the forum uses guidelines that negate a lot of the "chances to win" that a brick has against for example Superman. If Superman uses all his abilities to the best of those abilities, Hulk does essentially have no chance against him, he would probably never get a hit in. In a comic they might be made to have a long drawn out fight with both managing to land blows. But the point of the versus forum isn't to emulate comics exactly. Take Martian Manhunter; if a comic were to have him fight purely with his strength physically against someone like Hercules and lose, that still doesn't mean Hercules has any chance against him in a standard fight on the forums. A brick has no chance against a GL. A comic can have Zoom fighting Hulk and have Hulk somehow managing to punch Zoom. On the forum Hulk will never even see Zoom as he gets sent on a world tour. The "chances" that bricks have you refer to usually rely on the opponent not fighting to the best of their abilities.
Originally posted by olympianI don't see why you keep bringing up WW/Thor it has no relevance to this one, especially since I already made my position on Thor/WW clear. An insane post would be saying Hulk can take the entire JLA because he's angry.
Using the handbook logic for some debates and then the comics one for others sure stricks me as faulty. Just take a look at the current WW/Thor debate and compare with this one.And the last post is equally as insane as those 10/10 for Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She Stopped a meteor the size of an island, bigger, you couldn't even see her under all of it, and she had no strain at all. This was under her own power. Terra was standing on a huge rock already. And if you look at the size of the Meteor WW cuaght compared to the rock terra was on, you can clearly see that the meteor WW cuaght was like the size of hawii Island or something.
Originally posted by Draco69
For heaven's sake:READ. THIS.
FORUM. RULES.
DEFINITION. OF. PIS. AND. CIS.
"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before , even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates"
God!
How in hell could you POSSIBLY misread this? It's simple. It's to the point. And you still manage to get it completely wrong.
But don't worry. I enlarged the key points so you would get it.....
The parts about "within their personality" being the big sticker.
That you can possibly consider it to be in-character for Wonder Woman to do something she has never done before and claim that how she fights and behaves in the vast majority of her appearances is simply plot-induced as opposed to character-induced is precisely why I've stopped participating.
Good day.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I need to know what Hulk's greatest strength feat is while calm and while angry. He doesn't seem to be at her lvl in skills, speed, reflexes so I gotta see just how strong he can get. He's shouldered a mountain,not lifted it, he's punches somethings. But I need to see more. I just can't see him getting any more than 2/10.
well while calm and angry he
lifted/braced a 150 billion ton mountain.....yes yes, but it still happend (secret wars)
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She Stopped a meteor the size of an island, bigger, you couldn't even see her under all of it, and she had no strain at all. This was under her own power. Terra was standing on a huge rock already. And if you look at the size of the Meteor WW cuaght compared to the rock terra was on, you can clearly see that the meteor WW cuaght was like the size of hawii Island or something.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't see why you keep bringing up WW/Thor it has no relevance to this one, especially since I already made my position on Thor/WW clear. An insane post would be saying Hulk can take the entire JLA because he's angry.
The first part of your answer here however, doesnt emulate the question of this particular debate. The thread started asks who in a pure fist figth would win, and your talking about standart matches.
In a standart match WW has the edge in my opinion. By only trading punches with Hulk she doesnt.
And yes the "insane" post i was talking about was about Hulk alone beating the JL.
Originally posted by olympianRelevance to any of what I am saying right now how? Maybe you should tell that to "them".
It just shows that some posters are going to use the kind of reasoning it suits them best at the moment.
Originally posted by olympianIt says a fist fight it doesn't say all WW has is her strength and durability. She still has her flight, she still has her reflexes, she still has her speed, she still has her skill, she can still use her bracelets. She can't use her lasso, she can't use her sword if she's carrying it for some bizarre reason in a fist fight, she can't use the Medusa's head... etc.
And the first part of your answer here doesnt emulate the question of this debate. The thread started asks who in a pure fist figth would win, and your talking about standart matches.Yes in a standart match WW has the edge in my opinion. By only trading punches with Hulk she doesnt.
In a fight where the stipulations are WW vs Hulk; WW only has her strength and durability, and she's forgotten she has skills. Sure he wins.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Relevance to any of what I am saying right now how? Maybe you should tell that to "them".
It says a fist fight it doesn't say all WW has is her strength and durability. She still has her flight, she still has her reflexes, she still has her speed, she still has her skill, she can still use her bracelets. She can't use her lasso, she can't use her sword if she's carrying it for some bizarre reason in a fist fight, she can't use the Medusa's head... etc.In a fight where the stipulations are WW vs Hulk; WW only has her strength and durability, and she's forgotten she has skills. Sure he wins.
2- It says FIST figth and you automatically think about using weapons, and other stuff? Really?
Originally posted by olympianDefending flawed logic? Versatile characters beat less versatile characters due to their versatility is flawed? When did I defend WW vs Thor in that thread by saying Thor won't use something? I didn't even post in that thread.
1- Of course it is. Your defend the logic around here and i dont. And because im not the type of just saying "you suck" i explain here for everyone to see why its flawed.2- It says FIST figth and you automatically think about using weapons, and other stuff? Really?
wow.
It says fist fight. So she's using her fists. Then I categorically list things she couldn't use in a fist fight i.e. her weapons. I would assume she can still use her bracelets though, if that's what you're referring to.
In a fist fight people don't use their other physical attributes and skills whatsoever? They just stand there and swing their arms like windmills? If so then cool, Hulk wins. Yay.
Originally posted by Validus
Nice. She can lift an island. That's still a long way to go before she hits planetary level.
The Meteor was at least as big as an island. it looked to be bigger. Since terra could not stop it and Terra has the power to stop and island easily. Also, WW was under no str8 what so ever when she stoped the meteor. Also, when factoring in the trajectory of the meteory, meaning the speed and direction, it takes more than just lifting strenth. Picking up a stationary meteor that size would take an enormous amount of strength. She did more than that, she stopped one that was moving thru space at thousands of miles per second and then carried it off without effort. Since I dont know what the limit of WW's strength really is, and no one really does, All I can go off of is what is on panel. On Panel, she is shown as being able to deflect Superman's 700,000,000 pounds per square inch blows. The Amount of strength it takes to be able to even deflect a blow like that is amazing.