Originally posted by Draco69
Professor Hulk?Too slow. Not skilled and his patented "The angrier I get, the stronger I get!" ability isn't apparent in Professor Hulk.
Diana also has a lasso that can instantly end the battle with a good speedblitz.
But people in SHC believe that Namor or Colossus can break it so....
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Uh, what Hulk comics are you reading? Professor Hulk had zero problem getting angry. His real problem between IH #425 and 437 was to keep his anger in control because he would revert to human form when he got too angry.
I don't recall anyone saying Namor or Colossus can break the lasso.
Originally posted by Draco69
Poor WW: Doesn't Get ANY respect on SHC....http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=118473&highlight=wonder+woman
Apparently they believe that Iron Man can defeat WW with one punch...
A fully amped Iron Man in an older armor kayoed Hulk with one shot. I don't see a problem with Iron Man doing it, especially in a more powerful armor.
Just because he CAN doesn't mean he's LIKELY to do it. I think Wonder Woman CAN kayo Hulk with one punch. It's just not likely.
Originally posted by Draco69
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=117825&highlight=wonder+womanClass 10 Valkerie can beat WW...
One person said he guesses that maybe Val wins if she has Aragorn and her sword. And I bet that X was considering Valkyrie kayoing Hulk with a nerve pinch.
I believe Val's Class 35, though.
Originally posted by Draco69
[B]http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=117642&highlight=wonder+womanActual Quote: "WW certainly isn't a good deal stronger than Wonder Man. She's barely stronger than the Thing. Perez's wankfest aside, WW at best is a teeny weeny bit stronger than Simon.
And Thor is way stronger than Wonder Man."
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So? I don't really agree that she's barely stronger than Thing or that Thor is "way stronger" than Wonder Man but I do agree that it's probably close between her and Wonder Man.
Most people that I saw agreed that she's stronger than Wonder Man.
Originally posted by Draco69
[B]http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=117574&highlight=wonder+womanActual Quote: "He [Thing] is on par with Wonder Woman in strength."
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That's not the consensus.
Originally posted by Draco69
[B]Good Lord these people are stupid....
Could be worse. They could be saying Wonder Woman hits someone hundreds of times per nanosecond or rips Hulk in half.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
He can amp himself that fast and she's not as much stronger than his base level as some of you seem to think, if she is at all.
Again, Professor Hulk can't amp. He doesn't have the "stronger by anger" power when he merged together...
His "base power level" is the lower-level Class 100 at or about 2000 tons as demostrated in the past.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Personally, I'm not sure which of the two is stronger when Hulk's calm and I don't know how you could determine it.
Pulling a third of the Earth against the Sun's gravity and holding meteorites the size of cities isn't a determinent of who's stronger with Hulk at base?
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
If I had to say, I'd give Wonder Woman perhaps a small edge in strength. She'd be low to middle tier Class 100 while Hulk is lower Class 100.
As I can see, you've spent far too much time in SHC. WW is a "LOW" Class 100?! She can lift about 100 to 2000 tons in your mind?
Hell no....
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She's high-level Class 100 on Superman and Captain Marvel's level.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
She's a better fighter than he is, but so are a lot of the guys he fights. She's a better fighter than Superman, too, but Superman will beat her.
Mainly because of his dozen abilities like heat vision, T-Vo, freeze breath, slightly superior strength, slightly superior speed and greater durability.
Oh and the editorial team is backing him up as always.
Hulk is a pure brick. He's slow. He's rather poor at fighting. And he's very durable. You HONESTLY believe that WW can counter that rather limited set of things he can do...?
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
Superman vs. Diana was a good fight but Superman didn't do THAT much damage to her. He broke her wrist and burned her cheek.
WW cracked his kneecap and broke a couple of his ribs...
Oh and she nearly tore his throat out with her tiara.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
And he hit her really hard. Except for the heat vision, Hulk could duplicate that damage.
Hard? Um NO. Hulk would have to be INCREDIBLY pissed off to replicate that damage. Sundipped Superman hit Wonder Woman from the Sun to the Earth and the force of the blow was so strong that she traveled back to the Earth in under two minutes. That's faster than light. And she only blacked out for a couple of seconds at most timegauging the fight as whole....
Please. And how the heck is Hulk gonna hit her? She's too damn fast and too damned skilled to allow such a blow. Hulk SMASH! That's it. Diana will counter his clumsy moves as if he were a child...
Originally posted by Jonathanos
When has she ever speedblitzed an opponent like is being suggested? I grant that she's faster than Hulk but she is not going to hit Hulk a hundred times a second.
Like so:
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Uh, what Hulk comics are you reading? Professor Hulk had zero problem getting angry. His real problem between IH #425 and 437 was to keep his anger in control because he would revert to human form when he got too angry.I don't recall anyone saying Namor or Colossus can break the lasso.
Professor Hulk didn't possess the "Savage Hulk" ability to get stronger as he got angrier. Because his Bruce Banner persona prevented it.
Seriously, Jean Grey had to unlock "Savage Hulk" so he could breach Onslaught's armour....
Originally posted by Draco69
Professor Hulk didn't possess the "Savage Hulk" ability to get stronger as he got angrier. Because his Bruce Banner persona prevented it.Seriously, Jean Grey had to unlock "Savage Hulk" so he could breach Onslaught's armour....
Guy, you're wrong.
Right before Onslaught, Merged Hulk fought Thor to a standstill and late in the fight Thor even went into warrior madness.
Hulk was insanely angry at that point and Samson remarked that he'd never seen the Hulk angrier.
Onslaught: MU ignored that.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Guy, you're wrong.Right before Onslaught, Merged Hulk fought Thor to a standstill and late in the fight Thor even went into warrior madness.
Hulk was insanely angry at that point and Samson remarked that he'd never seen the Hulk angrier.
Onslaught: MU ignored that.
You're ignoring the fact that Merged Hulk got retconned as Professor Hulk being a fourth distinct personality rather than the three including Banner, Savage and Grey.
Professor Hulk didn't possess the "stronger by anger" ability because his personality didn't allow it.
Merged Hulk used to be Professor Hulk but it got retconned as a complete almagram of the four personalites that Banner possessed in his crazy little head. The ultimate fantasy of what he wished he were to be: Powerful as the Hulk, Cunning as Grey Hulk, and still possessing intellect. However it turned out it was just a seperate personality...
Merged Hulk was a crazy, schizophrenic mess that couldn't handle all four personalites....
Originally posted by Draco69
Again, Professor Hulk can't amp. He doesn't have the "stronger by anger" power when he merged together...His "base power level" is the lower-level Class 100 at or about 2000 tons as demostrated in the past.
Yes, he does. And show me where his power level was demonstrated to be that low.
Originally posted by Draco69
Pulling a third of the Earth against the Sun's gravity and holding meteorites the size of cities isn't a determinent of who's stronger with Hulk at base?🤨
Not any more than Fixit shattering an asteroid twice the size of Earth demonstrates that he's billions of times stronger than the Thing.
Originally posted by Draco69
As I can see, you've spent far too much time in SHC. WW is a "LOW" Class 100?! She can lift about 100 to 2000 tons in your mind?Hell no....
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She's high-level Class 100 on Superman and Captain Marvel's level.
I see that you don't understand that the Handbook's Class 100 doesn't mean 100 tons in continuity.
Originally posted by Draco69
Mainly because of his dozen abilities like heat vision, T-Vo, freeze breath, slightly superior strength, slightly superior speed and greater durability.Oh and the editorial team is backing him up as always.
He didn't use anything but strength and speed and a blast of heat vision. If her skill really meant as much as you want it to, she should have beaten his butt. A skilled fighter who's not as strong as I am can kick my butt.
So either she's not as powerful as you think or skill doesn't mean as much in comics as you think it does.
Originally posted by Draco69
Hulk is a pure brick. He's slow. He's rather poor at fighting. And he's very durable. You HONESTLY believe that WW can counter that rather limited set of things he can do...?😬
Hulk whipped Hyperion. Yes she can counter him and she'll even take her share.
Originally posted by Draco69
WW cracked his kneecap and broke a couple of his ribs...Oh and she nearly tore his throat out with her tiara.
Are these injuries supposed to mean much to Hulk?
Originally posted by Draco69
Hard? Um NO. Hulk would have to be INCREDIBLY pissed off to replicate that damage. Sundipped Superman hit Wonder Woman from the Sun to the Earth and the force of the blow was so strong that she traveled back to the Earth in under two minutes. That's faster than light. And she only blacked out for a couple of seconds at most timegauging the fight as whole....
I don't think he sundipped. He was taking her towards the sun but never made it.
Speed works funny in comics. Hulk can leap fast enough to overtake ICBMs and the reasoning isn't because he moves his legs that fast but he's so strong he can jump fast.
Superman punched her really hard. So she flew really fast.
Originally posted by Draco69
Please. And how the heck is Hulk gonna hit her? She's too damn fast and too damned skilled to allow such a blow. Hulk SMASH! That's it. Diana will counter his clumsy moves as if he were a child...
Hulk will hit her the same way everyone else hits her. The same way he hits people with similar powers.
Because speed isn't used the way we think it should be used.
Originally posted by Draco69
Like so:
That's it? She gets blitzed by Flash and manages to grab him and that's supposed to be her hitting someone hundreds of times a second or nanosecond?
How fast was Flash going? And did Wonder Woman zip over there and take the blade from Hawkman?
Originally posted by Draco69
You're ignoring the fact that Merged Hulk got retconned as Professor Hulk being a fourth distinct personality rather than the three including Banner, Savage and Grey.Professor Hulk didn't possess the "stronger by anger" ability because his personality didn't allow it.
Merged Hulk used to be Professor Hulk but it got retconned as a complete almagram of the four personalites that Banner possessed in his crazy little head. The ultimate fantasy of what he wished he were to be: Powerful as the Hulk, Cunning as Grey Hulk, and still possessing intellect. However it turned out it was just a seperate personality...
Merged Hulk was a crazy, schizophrenic mess that couldn't handle all four personalites....
Professor Hulk is the name that incarnation took when Jurgens revealed that he was not a true merger. He is STILL the same incarnation and still has the same power. Professor has traits of all three personalities, even though he isn't a merger of the three.
He always had the ability to get stronger and never had a problem with getting angrier. He said it from the beginning:
IH #379: "Let's get one thing straight right now: The old Bruce Banner, when he had the Hulk's body, couldn't get madder and stronger. But this is the new Bruce Banner. And the new Hulk. Getting madder isn't a problem with me. Neither is getting stronger."
Originally posted by x_danny_x
what?? Wonder Woman a match for the Hulk? No way, As much as i like Wonder Woman, she is outclassed here!Jesus cant believe the comments I read here in the first pages.
Hulk and Juggernaut stalemate each other and both can beat Wonder Woman.
Superman ofcourse is a different story.
Have you ever seen Wonder Woman fight Superman?
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yes, he does. And show me where his power level was demonstrated to be that low.
No he doesn't. Read prior post.
His power level at "calm" (or rather with Professor Hulk is constant) is shown numerous times. He once hauled a truckload of redwood trees that weighed about 2000 tons.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Not any more than Fixit shattering an asteroid twice the size of Earth demonstrates that he's billions of times stronger than the Thing.
And the Thing has kicked the crap out of Grey Hulk more times than I can count.
Grey Hulk somehow destroyed the asteroid after being propelled by a anti-gravatational device that allowed him to reach the asteroid. I'm giving more credit to the scientist and his device and his suggestion on where to hit the meteorite....
Originally posted by Jonathanos
I see that you don't understand that the Handbook's Class 100 doesn't mean 100 tons in continuity.
I see you don't understand that hauling planetary bodies and things the size of cities doesn't not constitute "low" Class 100. If Diana is low to mid, than Captain Marvel and Superman are around the same arena and Thor is around low to mid Class 100 as well. Where is this elusive high-level Class 100 anyway?
Originally posted by Jonathanos
He didn't use anything but strength and speed and a blast of heat vision.
And his ice breath. And sundipping.....
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
If her skill really meant as much as you want it to, she should have beaten his butt.
I find it immensely ironic that Batman with Kryptonite Ring can tag Superman everyday of the week but Wonder Woman with Kryptonite Ring misses....
Originally posted by Jonathanos
A skilled fighter who's not as strong as I am can kick my butt.
Gee, since you consider Hulk to be stronger than WW, than by your logic....
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Originally posted by Jonathanos
So either she's not as powerful as you think or skill doesn't mean as much in comics as you think it does.
Skill means alot in comics....as long as your street-level. If you're street-level and you possess alot of skill you can stalemate or beat people several hundred times stronger than you.
If you're superstrong and skilled like Thor, Wonder Woman, Big Barda or Hercules, than your skill is instantly forgotten and you fight like grandpa on Red Bull.
In KMC Forums, we don't make that mistake...
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Hulk whipped Hyperion. Yes she can counter him and she'll even take her share.
Wonder Woman whipped Cronos and the Shattered God. Both are Skyfather-level beings. Hyperion in true fight without PIS/CIS and the Marvel Editorial team hellbent on every Marvel Superman clone losing to the Hulk, would own Hulk. He would beat Hulk much like Superman would. Except he would take a little while longer...
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Are these injuries supposed to mean much to Hulk?
Yes. It's Superman after all....
What you consider Professor Hulk more durable and hardy than Superman....?
After a brief Sundipp...?
Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't think he sundipped. He was taking her towards the sun but never made it.
He and WW were practically bathing in solar flares. He wasn't IN the Sun but he sure as hell was wading in it. It doesn't matter. He was practically on the Sun so his solar batteries were being pumped to the max. That's how he beat light from the Earth to the Sun in under two minutes. The closer he gets to the Sun, the more powerful he gets...
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Speed works funny in comics. Hulk can leap fast enough to overtake ICBMs and the reasoning isn't because he moves his legs that fast but he's so strong he can jump fast.
Yes. Speed works funny in comics. The Flash can operate at lightspeeds on one leg but 20 mph boomerang always manages to hit him.
In this rule-regulated forum, speed works perfectly fine and logically so. That means no boomerangs are hitting the Flash... EVER.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Superman punched her really hard. So she flew really fast.
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Did you fail physics? Can you imagine the amount of sheer force it would take to launch an object at faster than lightspeeds in under two minutes? The battle as a whole was under two minutes. Superman must have taken at least 30 seconds to fly their asses to the Sun. The battle as per dialogue must have last at least a minute. So the force of the punch was so strong she was knocked from the Earth to the Sun with a psi that allowed her to be thrust at speeds much greater than light from 10 to 30 seconds maximum. The entire battle lasted 1:54 seconds....
A space shuttle utilizes several million tons of force to propel them into space and go at Mach speeds several times higher than sound.
So Superman must have.....
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Hulk will hit her the same way everyone else hits her. The same way he hits people with similar powers.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Because speed isn't used the way we think it should be used.
No. It's your biased opinion that WW's speed should be completely ignored because it doesn't suit your arguement.
Uh-Uh. We don't allow PIS/CIS to cloud our judgement. That means Flash, Superman, Captain Marvel, Quicksilver and yes Wonder Woman will be using their speed to the very best of their abilities as per the rules set down by the moderators.
Because if we don't, anyone could argue that Wolverine could tag the Flash and win at least 4 out of 10....
Hulk won't hit WW. He may land a lucky blow, but Diana's just too damn fast. And she has far more manueverability. And she has this nifty Skyfather-level deflecting blast vambraces that would deflect any blow that gets remotely near her. After all, Hulk is brute and WW is highly skilled Amazon....
Originally posted by Jonathanos
hat's it? She gets blitzed by Flash and manages to grab him and that's supposed to be her hitting someone hundreds of times a second or nanosecond?
Oh for heaven's sake.
She could do this:
or this:
or this:
Originally posted by x_danny_x
what?? Wonder Woman a match for the Hulk? No way, As much as i like Wonder Woman, she is outclassed here!Jesus cant believe the comments I read here in the first pages.
Hulk and Juggernaut stalemate each other and both can beat Wonder Woman.
Superman ofcourse is a different story.
Here's two simple ways Diana can win:
She throws the lasso on Hulk. He instantly reverts back to Banner. WW breaks his neck.
She taps on Hulk on the head with the Morpheus Touch, a magical ability given to her by the Morpheus himself that allows her to instantly put anyone (even gods) into a coma or sleep. And they can't awaken until she wants them to....
However these are very cheap and Diana won't cop out like that.
I wish Hulk luck fighting a faster than sound; approaching light, nearly strong as Superman, nearly as skilled as Lady Shiva, opponent while his hands and feet are bound in a unbreakable tangle-wire called the Lasso of Truth.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Have you ever seen Wonder Woman fight Superman?
yes, about that issue with the President you mean? I hated that issue, Superman is much stronger than that and they were stalling and talking at the sametime. It wasnt like a villian fighting a hero.
Wonder Woman weaker Superman. She has 75% of his strenght and nowhere near his speed, etc. There were numerous threads about Superman using his full extent of his powers such as going almost at the speed of light but how much fun will that be if he does that? You want a battle so you can keep the reader interested.
If you look at what some of the characters powers and what they can do, you realize that the writers dont show all their potential in a fight cause there wont be much of fight. Superman going the speed of light can go in hit anybody mulitple times hundreths of a second.
Originally posted by x_danny_x
yes, about that issue with the President you mean? I hated that issue, Superman is much stronger than that and they were stalling and talking at the sametime. It wasnt like a villian fighting a hero.Wonder Woman weaker Superman. She has 75% of his strenght and nowhere near his speed, etc. There were numerous threads about Superman using his full extent of his powers such as going almost at the speed of light but how much fun will that be if he does that? You want a battle so you can keep the reader interested.
If you look at what some of the characters powers and what they can do, you realize that the writers dont show all their potential in a fight cause there wont be much of fight. Superman going the speed of light can go in hit anybody mulitple times hundreths of a second.
Please go to the WW Respect Thread.....
I never understand why WW feats of where she is clearly holding back is considered her best, whereas Superman feats where is clearly holding back is recognized as it should be.
People harp about bloodlust, all-out Superman.
Is it THAT hard to imagine a bloodlusted, all-out Wonder Woman?
Let's take Goku from DragonBall Z. Take away his energy attacks. And you get an all-out Wonder Woman only using her strength, speed and some skill.
It's not that hard....
Originally posted by x_danny_x
yes, about that issue with the President you mean? I hated that issue, Superman is much stronger than that and they were stalling and talking at the sametime. It wasnt like a villian fighting a hero.Wonder Woman weaker Superman. She has 75% of his strenght and nowhere near his speed, etc. There were numerous threads about Superman using his full extent of his powers such as going almost at the speed of light but how much fun will that be if he does that? You want a battle so you can keep the reader interested.
If you look at what some of the characters powers and what they can do, you realize that the writers dont show all their potential in a fight cause there wont be much of fight. Superman going the speed of light can go in hit anybody mulitple times hundreths of a second.
HMM. So when Superman says that Captain Marvel and Diana hit the same, that means nothing? Or when the Omac files have WW and Superman's Strength and Speed as identicle, that means nothing? Or how WW is shown lifting Rocks the size of islands, that means nothing? Or the fact that she can if she wishes, amp her strength ALL the way up to the full power of the earth. Where are you getting this magical 75% figure from?