HTH? Hulk wins. Professor Hulk started at angry Hulk levels, enough so to evenly match Drax the Destroyer. Wonder Woman's combat "speed" never shows up when she faces, like, anyone (all she ever uses her speed for is deflecting projectiles and flying -- no one has much trouble tagging her and she doesn't speedblitz) As for skill, even with it, she's been physically dominated by Superman before. I see Professor Hulk as being at least equal to Kal in strength. IMO he's a level above her in strength and the durability gap is even greater. Her skill will allow her to hold her own, but she's not taking a majority.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
HTH? Hulk wins. Professor Hulk [B]started at angry Hulk levels, enough so to evenly match Drax the Destroyer. Wonder Woman's combat "speed" never shows up when she faces, like, anyone (all she ever uses her speed for is deflecting projectiles and flying -- no one has much trouble tagging her and she doesn't speedblitz) As for skill, even with it, she's been physically dominated by Superman before. I see Professor Hulk as being at least equal to Kal in strength. IMO he's a level above her in strength and the durability gap is even greater. Her skill will allow her to hold her own, but she's not taking a majority. [/B]
Forum rules dictate that characters will fight to the best of their ability and use their powers to the maximum and efficently.
That means WW's speedblitzing the poor bastard and Professor Hulk will be fighting a blur.
Flash is slowpoke in comics who can get tagged by boomerangs and thrown darts but in the forums, he's an nearly unbeatable speed god that would beat Hulk and Wonder Woman by himself at the same time because forum rules dicate that he fights to the very best of his ability.
And Professor Hulk is NOT equal to Superman in strength....
Not anywhere NEAR his level of strength. Prof. Hulk will have to get very angry to match Superman...and unfortunately he takes a hell of lot more time using his "angrier I get, stronger I get" ability due to his intellect...
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Originally posted by bigbran
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Something wrong with that? Assuming we agree that Superman is marginally stronger than Thor ... Or does this board beleive DC's top tiers >>> Marvel's? I know some boards do, but most places I've been at regard the average top tier Marvel strongman as equal to people occupying the same hiearchal spot in DC.
Originally posted by Draco69
Forum rules dictate that characters will fight to the best of their ability and use their powers to the maximum and efficently.That means WW's speedblitzing the poor bastard and Professor Hulk will be fighting a blur.
Flash is slowpoke in comics who can get tagged by boomerangs and thrown darts but in the forums, he's an nearly unbeatable speed god that would beat Hulk and Wonder Woman by himself at the same time because forum rules dicate that he fights to the very best of his ability.
But the difference between WW and Flash is that WW's combat speed like never surfaces. She even got wrapped up in her lasso by Mr. Miracle before she could react. I've seen her fly, run straight, and deflect stuff at super speed, but I have never seen her display clear "combat speed" in any context. Her lack of it in actual combat is pretty consistent so far as I've seen.
But if you're going by bios with the "Speed of Hermes", extrapolating that to combat speed, I guess you're right. I just prefer not to debate things like that, personally.
Anyway, I'm answering how I think things would turn out in the comics. I'll just remove myself from the speculative bio-based part, as that's not really my cup of tea ...
Originally posted by Draco69Not anywhere NEAR his level of strength. Prof. Hulk will have to get very angry to match Superman...and unfortunately he takes a hell of lot more time using his "angrier I get, stronger I get" ability due to his intellect...
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Do you also think Superman dwarfs Thor in strength? Prof. was IMO a bit stronger than Thor at his base.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanBut the difference between WW and Flash is that WW's combat speed like never surfaces. She even got wrapped up in her lasso by Mr. Miracle before she could react. I've seen her fly, run straight, and deflect stuff at super speed, but I have never seen her display clear "combat speed" in any context. Her lack of it in actual combat is pretty consistent so far as I've seen.
She's speedblitzed many opponents in her own comic. If people would read them....
The "I've never seen happen in comics" arguement is not gonna work.
I've never seen Thor use anti-matter attacks nor stop time any time in the last two decades...however I don't discount he can do it.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
But if you're going by bios with the "Speed of Hermes", extrapolating that to combat speed, I guess you're right. I just prefer not to debate things like that, personally.
Well yeah, If you can run at superspeed or fly at superspeed and manage not to hit anything on the way and perceive things well enough not to run over a poor grandmother or through a 747, then obviously she can hit things and avoid things at combat speed. Any speedster is capable of this.
I mean what's the difference between moving your legs and feet really fast and swinging your arms really fast at an opponent? What's the difference between deflecting gunfire at point blank range from all angles than a simple punch thrown by a much slower opponent?
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Do you also think Superman dwarfs Thor in strength? Prof. was IMO a bit stronger than Thor at his base.
I put Thor, Superman, Immortal Hercules, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman all around the same level or grade of strength. Some may be stronger than others or weaker than others but to me it's really no different from a man who can benchpress 200 pounds maximum and a man who can bench press 230 pounds maximum.
Originally posted by Draco69
She's speedblitzed many opponents in her own comic. If people would read them....
I've read quite a few WW comics (for guest stars or The Greek Gods 😛) and the closest thing to a speed-blitz I'm aware of is her running fast in a straight line, knocking some soldiers aside in a Rucka issue.
Mind you, by speed-blitz I mean attacking from all angles in a single panel or unloading a flurry of blows on an opponent too quickly for them to retaliate against. I've never seen this happen or heard it referenced by WW fans.
The "I've never seen happen in comics" arguement is not gonna work.I've never seen Thor use anti-matter attacks nor stop time any time in the last two decades...however I don't discount he can do it.
The difference being he's actually done it. I've yet to see WW speed-blitz or look unhittable to people lacking super-speed a single time. But given that she realistically should have that speed as an extrapolation of her flight/deflections, go ahead an use it per the rules.
As I've said, I really only care to give my opinion on how I see something going down in actual comics. But to each his own.
Well yeah, If you can run at superspeed or fly at superspeed and manage not to hit anything on the way and perceive things well enough not to run over a poor grandmother or through a 747, then obviously she can hit things and avoid things at combat speed. Any speedster is capable of this.
Yeah but even She-Hulk and Rogue have this argument to a degree. Most mid level people with flight are also speedsters using this logic. Mind you, again I realize you have the "board rules" trump, which I'm not arguing against, but just giving my opinion on it.
I mean what's the difference between moving your legs and feet really fast and swinging your arms really fast at an opponent? What's the difference between deflecting gunfire at point blank range from all angles than a simple punch thrown by a much slower opponent?
Technically, there shouldn't be a difference. But in comics, there is. There are times when uber speed in the form of spinning an object or flying at FTL speed have been shown in a comic, yet the same comic shows the character accomplishing these things being blited by minor speedsters.
I put Thor, Superman, Immortal Hercules, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman all around the same level or grade of strength. Some may be stronger than others or weaker than others but to me it's really no different from a man who can benchpress 200 pounds maximum and a man who can bench press 230 pounds maximum.
I put Professor Hulk above Thor. He seemed at least equal to Red Norvell, who is himself Thor's equal. In any event, Wonder Woman IMO comes off in relation to Superman roughly as strong as a human man is to a similar human woman. IOW she's strong enough to hurt him and she could hold him off grappling for a brief time, but there's never any question who would win a slug out. As such, she's forced to try and use skill to work around that. I think Supes#211, WW#175, WW#219, and JLA: A League of One illustrate this well enough.
Originally posted by Draco69
Again, Professor Hulk can't amp. He doesn't have the "stronger by anger" power when he merged together...His "base power level" is the lower-level Class 100 at or about 2000 tons as demostrated in the past.
Pulling a third of the Earth against the Sun's gravity and holding meteorites the size of cities isn't a determinent of who's stronger with Hulk at base?
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As I can see, you've spent far too much time in SHC. WW is a "LOW" Class 100?! She can lift about 100 to 2000 tons in your mind?
Hell no....
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She's high-level Class 100 on Superman and Captain Marvel's level.
Mainly because of his dozen abilities like heat vision, T-Vo, freeze breath, slightly superior strength, slightly superior speed and greater durability.
Oh and the editorial team is backing him up as always.
Hulk is a pure brick. He's slow. He's rather poor at fighting. And he's very durable. You HONESTLY believe that WW can counter that rather limited set of things he can do...?
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WW cracked his kneecap and broke a couple of his ribs...
Oh and she nearly tore his throat out with her tiara.
Hard? Um NO. Hulk would have to be INCREDIBLY pissed off to replicate that damage. Sundipped Superman hit Wonder Woman from the Sun to the Earth and the force of the blow was so strong that she traveled back to the Earth in under two minutes. That's faster than light. And she only blacked out for a couple of seconds at most timegauging the fight as whole....
Please. And how the heck is Hulk gonna hit her? She's too damn fast and too damned skilled to allow such a blow. Hulk SMASH! That's it. Diana will counter his clumsy moves as if he were a child...
Like so:
That pic shows what would happen to Wonder Woman.
Occurence: Incredible Hulk :Furture Imperfect #1
To help keep resistance down in an alternative future, the Maestro has created mechanical dogs called Dogs o' War whose jaws can crush adamtinum( the strongest metal in the Marvel Universe) in 7.3 seconds. The Hulk battles one and the dog gets the Hulk's head in it's jaws and is not even able to pierce the Hulk's skin before being defeated.
Professor Hulk is no weakling he has 40 years of fighting experience and he has fought better fighter then himself like Thor,Hercules,Namor and alot other people. I also have a book where Thanos shrinks the Hulk Professor Hulk in a sewer and he runs into Abomination 6foot8 980pounds and he plays a trick on Abom and he acts like is minds voice and at one point Hulk falls to the ground and tell Abom to lean down and with one punch hits so hard he is knocked into a standing position.
Some points here.
Prof Hulk was indeed a high class brick. Saying hes not "anywhere near" SM level is saying Thor and others that opperate on the same range arent as well. And thats faulty. The matches with Red Norvell (Thor`s equal) Immortal Herc (Thor`s equal) and Thor himself, show it.
Diana`s invulnerability being at the same level of Superman doesnt ring true. Unless shes constantly crossing her arms, shes not that high. In my opinion shes among the lowest "cl 100" in that regard, regulary speaking. Even tho like everyone else she has better feats outside that norm.
And Draco:
- The reason you havent seen Thor stop time in the last two decades was because that specific ability was removed from him in continuity. We know however before that event - that he could, since he has used it in the past.
- How will Hulk hit her? The same way lots of folks hit Flash, SM, Quicksilver and the like. With good enougth reflexes for the job. Plus, everyone knows, that fliers have a tendency to slug out, no matter the advantages they have.
Originally posted by olympian
.- How will Hulk hit her? The same way lots of folks hit Flash, SM, Quicksilver and the like. With good enougth reflexes for the job. Plus, everyone knows that fliers have a tendency to slug out no matter the advantages they have.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are we forgetting that Superman is waaaay faster than Hulk? And WW is able to deflect a good many of Superman's Blow's. The HUlk wouldn't land one single hit if Diana didn't want him to. PERIOD.
But Diana will have to come close to punch him.
Unless she uses the lasso rigth in the beginning of every figth and thats not going to happen.
Originally posted by olympian
This is KMC buddy. We don't go for that comic book PIS crap 🙂. WW's strength and skill put on her on another lvl than professor Hulk. He might as well be fighting Batman with Superman's strength. He's gonna loose. One good judo chop with Planet moving fist, and it's over.