Originally posted by darthsith19
That's bs, no way ROTJ Luke could have done what Vader did in Purge and ROTJ Vader > Purge Vader so there's no way Luke = ROTJ Vader.
Nope, because ROTJ Luke doesn't have that kind of experience, and not against many. But against Vader alone, he was pretty close. It is described well in the script and the novelisation.
And superstoner, what the hell do you have against me? If you can't stand with someone disagreeing with you, get the hell out of here.
Originally posted by kamikzdude i was just messin with you. you're ok i was just playing around.. DAMN!!!
Nope, because ROTJ Luke doesn't have that kind of experience, and not against many. But against Vader alone, he was pretty close. It is described well in the script and the novelisation.And superstoner, what the hell do you have against me? If you can't stand with someone disagreeing with you, get the hell out of here.
Luke:
Effortlessly subdues two guards using the force while walking on through the gate.
Had Boba Fett beaten.
Lifted c-3p0 off the ground and around with no hand gestures or strain.
Was taught by Obi Wan and Yoda to be able to defeat Vader.
Beat Vader
Deflected speeder bike fire and defeated a scout easily.
Began to lift an X-Wing as of Episode 5.
Has a million small feats from comics and books. In Shadows of the Empire alone he deflected swoop bike fire behind his back, kicking a thug off a moving swoop, and rode it away in one motion ( http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=101&page=62 ), deflected many of Xizor's shots, who practices constantly, inspires awe into mercs (who have great respect for Jedi, so they would probably know of their abilities) with the speed of his lightsaber and his actual movement, made Vader think that Luke has even more potential than Anakin had, and surprised even Vader as to how fast he had become powerful, and a lot more.
Originally posted by Jen'ari
I don't consider them as canon. I know technically they are, but I don't buy many aspects of them. My interpretation of the highest form of canon > secondary canon source material that contradicts the primary form, in my eyes.
Novelizations are as canon as comics, or anything else. Nothing in the movie contradicts what was written in the novelization of ROTJ in terms of the fight. Your "interpretation" isn't a high source to go on. I could interpret the movies as Sidious being a better swordsman than Mace, and only "faking" the saber dueling part or that Grievous completely sucks. The novelizations add on to the fact, they are more canon then your simple "interpretations". No one cares what you consider canon, because plain and simple - they are. What's written pertaining to the fight isn't contradicty to what's shown in the movies, in fact, the script has written an almost exact same thing as the novel about when Luke started swinging his saber around like a mad man.
Novelization > Your opinion. If I just watched ROTJ for the first time - I'd say Luke > Vader, however, from reading other EU material, I realize it's not exactly the case.
Originally posted by Adventjen'ari has been officially wtfpwned...by the hot chick
Novelizations are as canon as comics, or anything else. Nothing in the movie contradicts what was written in the novelization of ROTJ in terms of the fight. Your "interpretation" isn't a high source to go on. I could interpret the movies as Sidious being a better swordsman than Mace, and only "faking" the saber dueling part or that Grievous completely sucks. The novelizations add on to the fact, they are more canon then your simple "interpretations". No one cares what you consider canon, because plain and simple - they are. What's written pertaining to the fight isn't contradicty to what's shown in the movies, in fact, the script has written an almost exact same thing as the novel about when Luke started swinging his saber around like a mad man.Novelization > Your opinion. If I just watched ROTJ for the first time - I'd say Luke > Vader, however, from reading other EU material, I realize it's not exactly the case.
Originally posted by Jen'ari
The movies are a higher form of canon than the books, ergo I can place my interpretation of the movies over the books. This isn't going against canon policy, I can do it. Luke was terrible in the movies. So were Vader and Old Ben. They were slow.
Incorrect. You can not place your personal interpretation above a canonical interpretation of the movie. Clearly I do not see "G-Canon: This is defined by the movies, and Jen'ari's biased/tainted/simple interpretation". Jenny, you are not a canon source. You can not base an argument off purely what you see in the movies, because:
1.) Interpretations differ. For example, Rampant Ox would undoubtedly say Dooku > Anakin or whoever if we allowed his interpretations of the movie to go. With EU material, we see this is not the case. If I say Luke was very good, and the best saber duelist I've ever seen. Am I right? According to you, I am because it's my interpretation. According to you, I could say Sidious was leagues above Mace in saber combat, I could say Grievous sucks, I could say TPM Kenobi is a saber god, and better than Qui-Gon.
Of course, if this was a movie debate forum - I could do all that, however, this is not a pure movie versus forum. It includes EU, ergo we're going to include EU material. EU Material > Your interpretations. Quit being such a twit, you're completely wrong.
2.) No one cares what you "interpret" things as frankly. Because you're trumped by actual canon material.
And plus, these little "interpretations" can go either way, purely because - as I've already said - they differ. I may view things one way, you may another way. Who's right in matters pertaining to "delicate" subjects? Ah, yeah. I think whichever side the canon material that is called a "novelization", is right. Obviously, you must think yourself to be high and mighty. Sorry, Jenny, you're not.