Originally posted by wolvertooth
thats right he cant cut or scratch, but they never showed him trying to penetrate colossus like he did to the thing ..... when you try to cut somone you can slightly harm him because the blade goes horizontal, but if he will try to stab him with the edge of the claws right into colossus then it is very possible for him to do it because he could cut very durable elements.... i cant show a prove because it has never been done, but so does everybody here cant show me a prove that wolverine cant penetrate colossus , join the wolverine side once again... and we will win this battle, we will bring end to wolverine hatters..... no i just kiding but anyway you know that what i wrote is right
Wolverine has tabbed the Thing, but he's also slashed him. IIRC didn't Wolverine disfigure Ben for a while cause of a claw slash. Don't use Thing as an example cause he can slash to penetrate, and he can stab Ben. He can't slash Colossus to penetrate so within reason he can't stab him.
penetratuon is much much harder then a slash... who said he needs to slash something in order to penetrate it? who said that his limitations are on the thing? he could scratch him and penetrate him because the thing is nothing to him, he cant slash colossus because he is more durable... but if he will try to penetrate him with all force then even if he penetrates him a bit thats it he sticks his claws all the way inside colossus and he is dead , to penetrate colossus will be harder then the thing but who said that the thing is his limitation? again wolverine was showed to cut thrue many hard elements, dimond , thrue alien space ship which even death strike couldnt scratch , he cut metal walls , sentinals, everytime wolverine was trying to penetrate something he did it, its stated that wolverines claws can cut thrue anything ... well i dont think he can penetrate force fields or things like that ... but metal elements hell ye he can penetrate .... and i will say it for the last time, wolverine was never showed to try and stab colossus just to slash him thats it ... its a very different thing going horizontal slash and actually forcing full power them right into something
But the thing of it is anything that Logan has been shown to penetrate he's slashed. I've never seen him stop and say "Whoops, I need to stab this not slash for it to work". The impression this gives is that Wolverine's slashes and stabs work the same way. Actually it would give the impression that his slashes are more effective cause thats usually the technique he uses when breaking through super tough stuff. To assume that even though he can't slash it, but he might be able to stab it since he's never tried that before is grasping at strawss imo. Especially when evidence dictates otherwise
Its much easier for Wolverine to slash something than to stab it. With Colossus, he cant slash through or stab. Is it because hes not strong enough to penetrate Colossus's hide? Possibly, but one would think that he could at least leave slash marks on him, but nooo. Sometimes Wolvie might not be strong enough to actually penetrate the object, so hed result to slashing to losen it up and then go for the stab. I dont think thats the case with Colossus.
Originally posted by marvelprince
But the thing of it is anything that Logan has been shown to penetrate he's slashed. I've never seen him stop and say "Whoops, I need to stab this not slash for it to work". The impression this gives is that Wolverine's slashes and stabs work the same way. Actually it would give the impression that his slashes are more effective cause thats usually the technique he uses when breaking through super tough stuff. To assume that even though he can't slash it, but he might be able to stab it since he's never tried that before is grasping at strawss imo. Especially when evidence dictates otherwise
wait ... are you actually saying that a force of a slash should make more damage then penetration??? wtf?????? yes wolverine couldnt slash colossus but i will say it again it doesnt show that he cant penetrate him, was it ever mentioned that whtever wolverine cant slash he cant stab too? did he ever said that? or was it mentioned? no.... its your speculations which are very wrong, adamentium is stronger then colossus body + very very sharp adamentium + low super human strength ... again wolverine just tried to slash him which means that he was using his claws horizontal and they just meet a little bit with colossus and went away.... but if wolverine will forch them right into colossus and no other way but colossus, i say colossus is down
Originally posted by wolvertooth
your saying a slash is more damaging then stab? so if i will take a knife and slash you so you will have a little cut its more powerfull then if i stick it right into your heart?
Who is that question directed at?
In Wolvies case, a slash would be more damaging than a stab in certain situations because if hes not able to stab it, the only thing left to do IS slash.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
wait ... are you actually saying that a force of a slash should make more damage then penetration??? wtf?????? yes wolverine couldnt slash colossus but i will say it again it doesnt show that he cant penetrate him, was it ever mentioned that whtever wolverine cant slash he cant stab too? did he ever said that? or was it mentioned? no.... its your speculations which are very wrong, adamentium is stronger then colossus body + very very sharp adamentium + low super human strength ... again wolverine just tried to slash him which means that he was using his claws horizontal and they just meet a little bit with colossus and went away.... but if wolverine will forch them right into colossus and no other way but colossus, i say colossus is down
Slashing involves using your entire arm to store potential energy which will then translate into force. Penetration means bring your arm back to store energy. You store more energy by swinging your arm cause you also have momentum into the mix.
Now penetration is generally easier, but thats considering the devices you use. Something thin, like a needle, is perfectly suiting for stabbing cause it has small surface area and those can exert more pressure. Unfortunately for that same reason it sucks for slashing. On the reverse side a cutlass is great for slashing but is ill-suited for stabbing. Wolverine's claws have the best of both worlds as the claws dimensions are perfectly suited for both task, slashing and stabbing. By now your asking whats my point, my point is that chances are if Wolverine can't penetrate by slashing there's a 90% chance he can't do it by stabbing.
Not to forget that Wolverine didn't even leave a mark on Colossus when he tried to slash him. If the claws had made the slightest nick I could have conceeded to you, but Wolverine's claws had no effect whatsoever
Originally posted by marvelprince
chances are if Wolverine can't penetrate by slashing there's a 90% chance he can't do it by stabbing.Not to forget that Wolverine didn't even leave a mark on Colossus when he tried to slash him. If the claws had made the slightest nick I could have conceeded to you, but Wolverine's claws had no effect whatsoever
Exactly.✅
Originally posted by wolvertooth
your saying a slash is more damaging then stab? so if i will take a knife and slash you so you will have a little cut its more powerfull then if i stick it right into your heart?
Way off base. Chance's are if I slash you in your heart you are going down.
Try taking something, piece of wood, that is both as wide and it is thick and try taking a long knife to it. Slash are hard as you can and then try to stab it. Then we can talk
marvelprince you just dont get it do you? no matter how you will go around and i know that your trying to confuce me and go around in circles but it wont help, when you slash someone you just hit him horizontal with the blade thats it ... it comes in a contact and the power of the slash continue to go horizontal which means that only 50% of the contact was made, but if you stab full power into it, wolverine claws are really sharp and they take really really small area and they create pressure on that small area, now the full power of the claws will go right into colossus, so a stab is much much more powerfull then a slash .... you know here in texas we went hunting so many times and once i saw people hunting a croc ... a crocs skin is very durable, they killed the croc and then they tried to cut him, they couldnt cut him with a knife and its a fact that his skin is too much durable to cut it with a knife, so they stabed him and started to cut from the inside... thats penetration
Originally posted by marvelprince
Way off base. Chance's are if I slash you in your heart you are going down.Try taking something, piece of wood, that is both as wide and it is thick and try taking a long knife to it. Slash are hard as you can and then try to stab it. Then we can talk
are you crzy? i can cut a piece of wood but if i stab it the knife will be stuck in it because it will penetrate it all the way.... dude me and my friends throwing knives on trees and the knives are geting stuck inside the tree but if you try to slash a tree it will be much harder .... i cant even belive that some one will say that a slash makes more damage then a penetration
Originally posted by wolvertooth
marvelprince you just dont get it do you? no matter how you will go around and i know that your trying to confuce me and go around in circles but it wont help, when you slash someone you just hit him horizontal with the blade thats it ... it comes in a contact and the power of the slash continue to go horizontal which means that only 50% of the contact was made, but if you stab full power into it, wolverine claws are really sharp and they take really really small area and they create pressure on that small area, now the full power of the claws will go right into colossus, so a stab is much much more powerfull then a slash .... you know here in texas we went hunting so many times and once i saw people hunting a croc ... a crocs skin is very durable, they killed the croc and then they tried to cut him, they couldnt cut him with a knife and its a fact that his skin is too much durable to cut it with a knife, so they stabed him and started to cut from the inside... thats penetration
You can't cut a Croc from slashing cause its hide is so dense. I assume that when they stabbed him they did it to its belly cause its underside is very soft. Now if you had the Croc on its side and tired to slash it you would get the same results. Fact is if the Croc's entire body was as soft as its belly you could slash through it no problem.
Point is, it is entire to penetration through a stab than a slash. I got that, but the difference between the two is not very great. If done correctly both can achieve the same results.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
are you crzy? i can cut a piece of wood but if i stab it the knife will be stuck in it because it will penetrate it all the way.... dude me and my friends throwing knives on trees and the knives are geting stuck inside the tree but if you try to slash a tree it will be much harder .... i cant even belive that some one will say that a slash makes more damage then a penetration
If you slash at a tree with full recoil you won't damage the tree? Knives are pointed at the end so they are more ideally suited to stabbing than slashing anyway (I know I pointed that out already).
I don't know bout you, but I've been able to cut through wood and pvc pipes with one slash as opposed to trying to penetrate them where I could only get the tip in
I see this is going off topic lol.
Naturally, a stab would be more damaging than a stab. I dont think anyone is debating that. However in sertain situations, a slice/cut would do more damage than a stab.
Someone pulls a 10 inch knife and slices/cuts me on the chest.
Someone pulls a 10 inch knife ans stabs me in the chest.
Naturally the stab would do more damage.
Someone can take the same 10 inch knife and slice/cut through a sink pipe.
Someone can take the same 10 inch knife and not be able to stab through the sink pipe.
Naturally the slice/cut would do more damage.
In Wolvies and Colossus's case, he cant slice/cut nor stab. I believe there were only sparks when he tried.
Originally posted by marvelprince
You can't cut a Croc from slashing cause its hide is so dense. I assume that when they stabbed him they did it to its belly cause its underside is very soft. Now if you had the Croc on its side and tired to slash it you would get the same results. Fact is if the Croc's entire body was as soft as its belly you could slash through it no problem.Point is, it is entire to penetration through a stab than a slash. I got that, but the difference between the two is not very great. If done correctly both can achieve the same results.
first of all they cutted his back because he was really heavy and they were just 2 people and they didnt want to flip him over so they cutted his back
penetration can get much more results then a slash if you got enough power to stick it in and if you dont its your fult not the tools
Originally posted by marvelprince
If you slash at a tree with full recoil you won't damage the tree? Knives are pointed at the end so they are more ideally suited to stabbing than slashing anyway (I know I pointed that out already).I don't know bout you, but I've been able to cut through wood and pvc pipes with one slash as opposed to trying to penetrate them where I could only get the tip in
again if you dont have enough power to penetrate it doesnt means that the law is like that, its just that you need to force it in but its much easiyer then you think , if you had a sharp tool made out of hardest metal you could do it