Originally posted by Alliancebefore 20 I think, and the Aborigines are also into it everywhere they go...
I never said I engage in the practice, or support it.I'm saying, understanding the cultural movements and philosophy at the time, its very obvious why what is today termed pedophilia today was practiced.
Hell, you were supposed to have a family by 20.
And wasn't the Virgin Mary only about 14?
Originally posted by Robtard
Hell no, they were into buggering young boys, oh the poor little boys of that time...
Well, like Alliance said, it is about cultural and social perceptions of the time.
Remembering that in many ancient cultures a girl might be married off and with child by the age of 13 (hell, even up to medieval times. Even up to more modern times in certain Eastern places.)
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But at other times (following this event) Paul did see Jesus Christ on several occasions in visions and when he went to Heaven (after he had been stoned to death).[b]1 Corinthians 9:1
Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?Acts 14:19
Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.Actually Paul had died but the Lord sent his spirit back into his body (just like other people who have died and come back to life by God's power). Hey, if your work is not done on this earth then God will send you back. Paul's work was not complete after he had been stoned to death so God brought him back to preach the gospel. Glory to God!
2 Timothy 4:17
But the Lord stood with me and strengthened me, so that the message might be preached fully through me, and that all the Gentiles might hear. Also I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.Acts 23:11
But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, “Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome.”
Galatians 1:12
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.Paul (the apostle) received his knowledge of the gospel from Jesus Christ by revelation.
2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.Paul (the apostle) was taken to Heaven.
Acts 20:24
But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.Paul (the apostle) received his call to the ministry from Jesus Christ. [/B]
In ancient times there was no standardized version of the Old Testament. Different Jewish groups and different regions had their own versions. There were the Septuagint, the Aquila, Theodotion's version and Symmachu's version, all containing different text and different numbers of books. The Old Testament used by modern Christians is based on the Massonetic version which only appeared after the Jamnia Synod at the end of the 1st century AD. The New Testament did not appear in its present form until the year 404 AD, nearly four hundred years after the death of Jesus. Before that time, the Gospels of Thomas, the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Acts of Peter, the Acts of Paul and a dozen other books were included in the Bible. In 404 AD these books were simply cut out of the Bible because they contained teachings that were contrary to Christian theology of that time. One of the oldest existing Bibles, The Codex Sinaiticus, includes the Epistle of Barnabas, a book that is not included in the modern Bible. If these books were considered to be revelation by early Christians why don't modern Christians consider them to be revelation?
When we look at the Bibles used by modern Christians we find that there are several different versions. The Bible used by the Ethiopian Church, one of the most ancient of all churches, contains the Books of Enoch and the Shepherd of Hernias which are not found in the versions used by Catholics and Protestants. The Bible used in the Catholic Church contains the books of Judith, Tobias, Banuch, etc which have been cut out of the Bible used in Protestant churches. Prof H.L. Drummingwright of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in his introduction to the Bible explains how these books came to be cut out of the Bible used by the Protestants. These books were, he says, "in most Protestant Bibles until the 19th century, when publishers, led by the British and Foreign Bible Society voluntarily began to omit them". Once again, these books contained ideas which the churches did not like so they just cut them out. How can a book like Judith be the infallible word. of God one moment and not the next? Why are there so many different versions of the Bible? And which version is the infallible word of God?
Proof that the Bible has been tampered with is found on every page if one looks carefully. The text of the Bible is arranged into chapters which in turn are arranged into verses. As we read we will sometimes notice that one or two verses are missing. In the New International Version of Bible printed by the New York International Bible society, verses 44 and 46 have been deleted from chapter 9 of the Gospel of Mark. Verse 37 has been cutout of chapter 8 of Acts and verse 28 has been removed from chapter 15 of Mark. How can Christians possibly claim that the bible is the infallible and unchanging word of God when they cut out inconvenient verses and words? And why have these verses been removed?
Basically, The Bible is not a revelation from God, rather it is a compilation, a fairly untidy compilation, written by many different people, over many centuries, changed and edited from time to time, and containing legends, stories, genealogies, fables, sacred and secular writings. It is no more a revelation from God than are the Iliad or the Odyssey, the Ramayana or the Mahabharata, books which the Bible resembles quite closely.
"Don't believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis, you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept and live up to it."--Buddha
try to read this info too not to be biased..
The Holy Bible
• 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Matthew 12:26 (Book of Moses); Luke 3:4
(Book of the words of Isaiah the prophet); Luke 20:42 (Book of Psalms); Acts
7:42 (Book of the prophets); Galatians 3:10 (Book of the law);
• The Holy Bible-the Word of God-IS INSPIRED OF GOD.
• The word Bible is derived from, or comes from the Greek word Biblos, which means,
"a written book, a roll, or a scroll." So the word book in the Bible can mean or refer to
a roll or a scroll.
• The Bible is a library of 66 different books that were written over a period of
approximately 1600 years (from 1500 B.C. to A.D. 100). It was written by more than
40 different writers or authors who were inspired by God to write. The Bible is
divided into what is called, the Old Testament, and the New Testament. The word
testament can refer to or mean a compact, covenant, or will that a person draws up to
dispose of their earthly possessions before they die. So the Old Testament (compact or
covenant) has 39 books (written approximately 1500 B.C. to A.D. 100). The New
Testament (compact, covenant, or will) has 27 books (written approximately A.D. 45
to 100).
• The Old Testament was written mostly in the Hebrew language, but with some
Aramaic portions. The New Testament was written in Greek.
• Councils of rabbis, Jewish elders, and church leaders collected, arranged, and
recognized the books of the Bible as SACRED AUTHORITY, based on careful
guidelines.
• God is fully aware that HIS WORD WAS WRITTEN OR RECORDED BY MEN. He
is the one who inspired them to write His Word, and to make sure that the accuracy and integrity of His Word was preserved and kept safe for us today.
• The Bible was copied very accurately by hand before the printing press was invented.
Special scribes (those who were educated in the Law of Moses and other sacred
Scriptures) developed complex methods of counting words and letters to insure that
no errors had been made.
• The Old Testament was originally written on stone, clay, or leather (approx. 1500
B.C. to 400 B.C.). The New Testament was written on papyrus (a plant material)
approximately A.D. 45 to 100. Some copies of the Bible were printed on luxurious,
expensive, and fine quality animal skins called vellum (scraped calf or antelope skin),
and sheep or goat skins called parchment. These skins were used for over 1,000 years
to make copies of the Bible approximately A.D. 300 to 1400.
The Gutenberg Bible, named after the inventor of the printing press with moveable type, was the first book ever printed on Gutenberg's Press with moveable type in 1455. It was printed at Johann Gutenberg's shop in Mainz, Germany and completed in 1454 or 1455. Gutenberg used the Latin text (translated from Hebrew and Greek) of St. Jerome.
The Bible we have today is very true to the original writings. Thousands of copies were made by hand before A.D. 1500, and more than 5,300 Greek manuscripts from the New Testament alone still exist today. The text of the Bible is better preserved than the writings of Caesar, Plato, or Aristotle.
In 1947 a Bedouin shepherd discovered 7 Scrolls in jars that were in limestone caves carved out of cliffs along the wadis (a bed or valley of streams) that descend through the Judean wilderness to the left bank of the Dead Sea. These scrolls confirm the accuracy of some copies of the Old Testament.
The Bible was transported to other countries and translated into the common language of the people by linguistic scholars who wanted others to know God's Word. There are still many groups of a people with no Bible in their own language.
To date the Bible has been translated into more than 2,000 languages and dialects
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Holy Bible
• 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Matthew 12:26 (Book of Moses); Luke 3:4
(Book of the words of Isaiah the prophet); Luke 20:42 (Book of Psalms); Acts
7:42 (Book of the prophets); Galatians 3:10 (Book of the law);
• The Holy Bible-the Word of God-IS INSPIRED OF GOD.
• The word Bible is derived from, or comes from the Greek word Biblos, which means,
"a written book, a roll, or a scroll." So the word book in the Bible can mean or refer to
a roll or a scroll.
• The Bible is a library of 66 different books that were written over a period of
approximately 1600 years (from 1500 B.C. to A.D. 100). It was written by more than
40 different writers or authors who were inspired by God to write. The Bible is
divided into what is called, the Old Testament, and the New Testament. The word
testament can refer to or mean a compact, covenant, or will that a person draws up to
dispose of their earthly possessions before they die. So the Old Testament (compact or
covenant) has 39 books (written approximately 1500 B.C. to A.D. 100). The New
Testament (compact, covenant, or will) has 27 books (written approximately A.D. 45
to 100).
• The Old Testament was written mostly in the Hebrew language, but with some
Aramaic portions. The New Testament was written in Greek.
• Councils of rabbis, Jewish elders, and church leaders collected, arranged, and
recognized the books of the Bible as SACRED AUTHORITY, based on careful
guidelines.
• God is fully aware that HIS WORD WAS WRITTEN OR RECORDED BY MEN. He
is the one who inspired them to write His Word, and to make sure that the accuracy and integrity of His Word was preserved and kept safe for us today.
• The Bible was copied very accurately by hand before the printing press was invented.
Special scribes (those who were educated in the Law of Moses and other sacred
Scriptures) developed complex methods of counting words and letters to insure that
no errors had been made.
• The Old Testament was originally written on stone, clay, or leather (approx. 1500
B.C. to 400 B.C.). The New Testament was written on papyrus (a plant material)
approximately A.D. 45 to 100. Some copies of the Bible were printed on luxurious,
expensive, and fine quality animal skins called vellum (scraped calf or antelope skin),
and sheep or goat skins called parchment. These skins were used for over 1,000 years
to make copies of the Bible approximately A.D. 300 to 1400.The Gutenberg Bible, named after the inventor of the printing press with moveable type, was the first book ever printed on Gutenberg's Press with moveable type in 1455. It was printed at Johann Gutenberg's shop in Mainz, Germany and completed in 1454 or 1455. Gutenberg used the Latin text (translated from Hebrew and Greek) of St. Jerome.
The Bible we have today is very true to the original writings. Thousands of copies were made by hand before A.D. 1500, and more than 5,300 Greek manuscripts from the New Testament alone still exist today. The text of the Bible is better preserved than the writings of Caesar, Plato, or Aristotle.
In 1947 a Bedouin shepherd discovered 7 Scrolls in jars that were in limestone caves carved out of cliffs along the wadis (a bed or valley of streams) that descend through the Judean wilderness to the left bank of the Dead Sea. These scrolls confirm the accuracy of some copies of the Old Testament.
The Bible was transported to other countries and translated into the common language of the people by linguistic scholars who wanted others to know God's Word. There are still many groups of a people with no Bible in their own language.
To date the Bible has been translated into more than 2,000 languages and dialects
Not very comprehensive than the links i gave u...