Jesus Christ is not Mithra

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Debbiejoe, people who are stoned normally die. Paul had been stoned and dragged outside of the city, the supposed him to be dead.

[b]Acts 14:19
Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead. [/B]

Keyword in that setence is normally.

"Supposing him to be dead" means he's alive. There is no way around that. From the text given, it clearly states Paul was not revived in the sense of life after death, but revived from unconciousness.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Keyword in that setence is normally.

"Supposing him to be dead" means he's alive. There is no way around that. From the text given, it clearly states Paul was not revived in the sense of life after death, but revived from unconciousness.

I believe that Paul died, went to Heaven, then was raised from the dead. I don't know anyone that could survive a stonning. Can you? Every other person in the Bible who was stoned DIED.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe that Paul died, went to Heaven, then was raised from the dead. I don't know anyone that could survive a stonning. Can you? Every other person in the Bible who was stoned DIED.

People have survived being hanged and the electric chair (first run) and those are facts substantiated with proof.

Others things people have survived through...

Broken necks
Disembowlment
Loss of 3+ pints of blood
Multiple gunshots
Multiple stabbings
Bodily impalement
Massive 3rd degree burns
Simultaneous loss of multiple extremities

Taken that into account, being stoned seems like a walk in the park.

Originally posted by Robtard
People have survived being hanged and the electric chair (first run) and those are facts substantiated with proof.

But not being stoned.

Heck. People have had railroad spikes blown trough thier brains and been fine.

Originally posted by Robtard
People have survived being hanged and the electric chair (first run) and those are facts substantiated with proof.

Acts 7:58
and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

Acts 22:20
And when the blood of Your martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by consenting to his death, and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.’

Paul was present as Jesus' FIRST martyr was murdered. This was before he became a follower of Jesus Christ.

Again, those DO NOT support your argument. Stoning is not automatically lethal.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But not being stoned.

I added more to the post to substantiate my claim... Being stoned is survivable, people have survived through far worse trauma.

They also stoned that women in "The Lottery."

This is yet another issue clearly beyond JIA's limited computing power. Just because it happens tiwce, doesn't mean it happens every time.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

Acts 22:20
And when the blood of Your martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by consenting to his death, and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.’

[/B]

Reference to another's stoning doesn't change the wording regarding Paul. Biblically there is no reason to believe he died, all that states it as so is your opinion. Everyone stoned throughout history could have died and it would still not validate the assumption that Paul did. Grammatically it is correct to assume Paul did not die.

AT least with Steven it said murdered or killed .....yeah martyred.

supposed him to be dead.” They left him for dead. We are not told that the disciples who gathered around Paul were praying, though they may have been. We are simply told that Paul was left for dead, that the saints gathered about him, and that he got up and went back to town. If there is a miracle here, it is that Paul returned to Lystra, not that he got up. The next day Paul and Barnabas left for Derbe,314 where they preached the gospel and many came to faith (14:21).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Debbiejoe, people who are stoned normally die. Paul had been stoned and dragged outside of the city, the supposed him to be dead.

[b]Acts 14:19
Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead. [/B]

Dude, for a self proclaimed master "semanticist" you are failing miserably here... You're own post states "supposing him to be dead", 'supposing' in this respect does not equate to death. If anything, you are guessing he died and I'm fairly certain you're not one to guess when it comes to the Bible right?

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, for a self proclaimed master "semanticist" you are failing miserably here... You're own post states "supposing him to be dead", 'supposing' in this respect does not equate to death. If anything, you are guessing he died and I'm fairly certain you're not one to guess when it comes to the Bible right?

The text says (or implies) that those who stoned Paul "supposed" that he was dead. It does not say that he was or was not. I said that I believe that Paul was dead.

See, this is where interpretation becomes a problem if you don't know the original language. This is why all the denominations......wish we had a greek speaking person here.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The text says (or implies) that those who stoned Paul "supposed" that he was dead. It does not say that he was or was not. I said that I believe that Paul was dead.

I am not doubting what you believe, but in this case your belief is based on a guess, since the passage isn't clear on the issue.

Originally posted by debbiejo
See, this is where interpretation becomes a problem if you don't know the original language. This is why all the denominations......wish we had a greek speaking person here.

Admit it, you love to speak 'Greek'... 😱

Originally posted by Robtard
Admit it, you love to speak 'Greek'... 😱

Too many curvy letters........But that's what a concordance comes in handy.......yeppers.

Originally posted by Regret
A lot of what Debbiejo says is "Greek" to me 😉

😄 of course, either that or a friendly ribbing, however you want to take it