Originally posted by Metalmanx
...So...because you don't like him...he doesn't win this fight? 😕If you've got a problem, take it up with DC Comics. Flash has consistently shown to be able to handle people of even Gladiator's status (White Martians, anyone? [Although I truthfully think Glads could take a White Martian]).
Gladiator, even being as fast as he is, would never be able to touch Flash. Flash, however, could pummel Glads into oblivion.
Speed goes a long way.
Okay. Here's my logic. Take Jewbilee. Jewbilee sucks(in fact she sucks so much I don't even know how to spell her name). She's a lame character with a lame power. Now say out of the blue, some writer decided that her lame power grew immensely. So immensely she was able to actually physically harm our classic Juggernaut. Then she went out and beat the Hulk. So now, with this new look at the character, she's one of the most powerful earth characters in Marvel. Do you really buy that just because of one writers opinion? It's stupid! Jewbilee sux! And she sux even worse by getting all this indiscriminate credit and inconsistent power. Flash should be able to go more than 700 mph, but I wouldn't ever buy him stealing someone's power. That's just stupid. My logic isn't that Flash loses because I don't like him. My logic is the actuality of what Flash's character is, minus the outrageous and retarded writing, should get his ass kicked by Gladiator. A character like Gladiator just seems way more imposing than what a Flash would. Flash should be kept within what his bounds should be and do all the bad writing you want, he loses to big guns like Gladiator.
Originally posted by great_dane
ya. lol.that isnt boring though, thats intenese. if this were true, all writing would be boring.
why have superman, he's just gonna save the day.
why have wolverine, he's just gonna regenerate and come back
why have batman?? he'll take something off his belt and beat whoever heas fighting.
you make no sense
No....... running into the speed force and going back in time is nothing like Supes getting shot in the chest and bullets bouncing off. Wolverine is stupid when they make him regenerate from anything. Wolverine should be able to regenerate anything unless it kills him first. His brain could regenerate if it was damaged, but not if it exploded. Batman is about way more than what he can take from his belt, and against someone like Gladiator, without prep-time and much help, he'd be lost(and I mean lots of prep-time and lots of help). I make perfect sense. Wally stealing everyone's speed and going back in time and being a regular man but having no effect on his fragile body from all the unfathomable things he puts it through is just not believable. All it is is bad writing. You're full of it. This version of Flash is just dumb and not a character anyone could even take seriously.
the thing is.............he doesn't.
all his powers do stay in his bounds.
he is the fastest character ever. (except zoom, but hes just running wise, doesnt have the flash's abilities)
anything the flash does deals with speed. dont you think the fastest char created should have a connection with the force that gives him his power.
his infinte mass punches are basically simple physics. that at which moves faster has greater force. a baseball tossed at you might give you a blak eye. one thrown at the speed of light would take your head off.
taking and giving speed have to do with his power, its all speed. the only thing added is his aura, enabling to run without being evaporated. but that would make sense, because whats the point of having a superman that some one from the street can sock and knock him out.
his powers and abilities all do make sense, its not bad writing.
you can'y say it go's beyond logic because everything else does too.
you seem to think superman is good writing right??
why does he have infra red laser eyes??
and freeze breath??
why does he have microscopic vision, and why does he have X-ray vision??
you can say the things your saying about anyone
Originally posted by superman41082
Okay. Here's my logic. Take Jewbilee. Jewbilee sucks(in fact she sucks so much I don't even know how to spell her name). She's a lame character with a lame power. Now say out of the blue, some writer decided that her lame power grew immensely. So immensely she was able to actually physically harm our classic Juggernaut. Then she went out and beat the Hulk. So now, with this new look at the character, she's one of the most powerful earth characters in Marvel. Do you really buy that just because of one writers opinion? It's stupid! Jewbilee sux! And she sux even worse by getting all this indiscriminate credit and inconsistent power. Flash should be able to go more than 700 mph, but I wouldn't ever buy him stealing someone's power. That's just stupid. My logic isn't that Flash loses because I don't like him. My logic is the actuality of what Flash's character is, minus the outrageous and retarded writing, should get his ass kicked by Gladiator. A character like Gladiator just seems way more imposing than what a Flash would. Flash should be kept within what his bounds should be and do all the bad writing you want, he loses to big guns like Gladiator.
Your logic is all wrong, my friend. What you hate apparently is when a character out of the blue just destroys say...Thanos. However, if written properly, the writers will show a gradual increase in power, almost like a comic book montage. And then, after many feats and showings of this new-found power, if said character was then able to take down Thanos, it would make perfect sense.
You make no sense. You want a comic book to become a newspaper. No one ever getting more powerful. Everyone staying the same. Superman would still not be able to fly or do half the things he does. Batman would just be a guy with gadgets that could only take out street thugs. Hell, there wouldn't even be a Green Lantern--his powers are so out there you wouldn't be able to stand them. Aquaman would only be able to talk to fish. That's it. And swim fast I guess.
What you want is a comic that never changes. Characters develop new powers over time. It happens. It's been happening since comic books were created. Get used to it, my friend.
Flash has complete contol over his molecules. He also has a very powerful control over kinetic energy. He can enter the Speed Force pretty much at will. He's shielded from the rigors of super-speed by the Speed Force. He can perfom Infinite Mass Punches that cause an extreme amount of damage. He can vibrate his limbs inside an opponent--a lethal manuever.
Her name is "Jubilee", by the way. And to be honest, she's not nearly as crappy as people make her out to be. She makes things explode on the sub-atomic level. If she ever really trained hard with her powers (instead of just using them the way they are), she actually (as Professor Xavier once said) could be extremely powerful.
I'm REALLY glad you don't write comics. They'd be the most boring pieces of paper in existence. Calculus textbooks would be exhilerating in comparison.
Originally posted by great_dane
the thing is.............he doesn't.all his powers do stay in his bounds.
he is the fastest character ever. (except zoom, but hes just running wise, doesnt have the flash's abilities)
anything the flash does deals with speed. dont you think the fastest char created should have a connection with the force that gives him his power.
his infinte mass punches are basically simple physics. that at which moves faster has greater force. a baseball tossed at you might give you a blak eye. one thrown at the speed of light would take your head off.
taking and giving speed have to do with his power, its all speed. the only thing added is his aura, enabling to run without being evaporated. but that would make sense, because whats the point of having a superman that some one from the street can sock and knock him out.his powers and abilities all do make sense, its not bad writing.
you can'y say it go's beyond logic because everything else does too.
you seem to think superman is good writing right??
why does he have infra red laser eyes??
and freeze breath??
why does he have microscopic vision, and why does he have X-ray vision??you can say the things your saying about anyone
No no, now your spinning off into an entirely different topic. This is fictional writeing so alot of things are definately excuseable, like everything you just listed about superman. Anything is excuseable, pertty much. I/he is simply talking about the glaring contradictions and just
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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Your logic is all wrong, my friend. What you hate apparently is when a character out of the blue just destroys say...Thanos. However, if written properly, the writers will show a gradual increase in power, almost like a comic book montage. And then, after many feats and showings of this new-found power, if said character was then able to take down Thanos, it would make perfect sense. I'll admit you have a way with your words, but all you're doing is trying to manipulate my words and make them sound as dumb as Flash's powers. You're arguing an invalid point and no matter how well you're arguing it, it's invalid. There is no need for a DC universe with a Flash that does that and also the powers are very inconsistent, which is the more prominent of the two points. If the NFL followed this logic, they would take all the pro bowlers and put them on the same team, and fill all the other teams up with middle-schoolers to see what happened. It's just retarded. It makes no sense and no matter what kind of superstar lawyer comes in the courtroom to argue the point, the fact is that the argument itself is just ridiculous.You make no sense. You want a comic book to become a newspaper. No one ever getting more powerful. Everyone staying the same. Superman would still not be able to fly or do half the things he does. Batman would just be a guy with gadgets that could only take out street thugs. Hell, there wouldn't even be a Green Lantern--his powers are so out there you wouldn't be able to stand them. Aquaman would only be able to talk to fish. That's it. And swim fast I guess.
What you want is a comic that never changes. Characters develop new powers over time. It happens. It's been happening since comic books were created. Get used to it, my friend.
Flash has complete contol over his molecules. He also has a very powerful control over kinetic energy. He can enter the Speed Force pretty much at will. He's shielded from the rigors of super-speed by the Speed Force. He can perfom Infinite Mass Punches that cause an extreme amount of damage. He can vibrate his limbs inside an opponent--a lethal manuever.
Her name is "Jubilee", by the way. And to be honest, she's not nearly as crappy as people make her out to be. She makes things explode on the sub-atomic level. If she ever really trained hard with her powers (instead of just using them the way they are), she actually (as Professor Xavier once said) could be extremely powerful.
I'm REALLY glad you don't write comics. They'd be the most boring pieces of paper in existence. Calculus textbooks would be exhilerating in comparison.
No my friend, you are definitely putting words in my mouth. My comparison to Jewbilee is more accurate than you say. They may have graduated Flash a lot over the years, but the jump to stealing speed and going back and fourth in time is not something that can be graduated to. Taking Flash from what he could do and what he has done has no proper way of graduatiing the circumstances. The mere fact that he can do some of those things is just a step that is impossible to justify. I don't want the characters never to change, but I don't ever want them to get stupid like Flash. Jubilee is crappy simply because she has no character. She's just a little girl who can hurt people by doing something. There's no message or point to her character. She, to me, is a total jobber, which is what Flash has done with his newfound powers to the entirity of the DC universe. DC jobs to Flash now and it's jut boring. You have no idea what my comics would be like. LOL..... You think that because I wouldn't have someone able to throw anyone he wants into the speed force that there are no other interesting stories that I could personally write. Well man.... u actually seem easy to please. Have a guy go back in time and you have an interesting story. There are millions of directions I could go and just because I disagree with some of the writers now does not mean that I would write boring stuff.
look. you know the flash would tele behind gladiator and take all his speed instantly. no time involved. grab him by the shoulder and either throw him in the speedforce or melt his entire body. i'd predict all done under 1 sec.
think what you want, this is a thread between two chars, one being the best and one being a knock off. the flash isnt bad writing, in fact it's great writing. makes sense and is entertainable. of couse they can't have one char go around collapsing the universe and killing off everyone, there would be no point for any other char. the same can be said about any other char, like superman and GL.
flash 10/10
Why is he stupid?? bacuse he can do everything??
that doesnt make someone stupid, that makes them the best.
and the reason the dc universe focuses so much on flash is because he was the first running char to be spawned. thats why superman has evolved so much. theyre have been so many knock off's of the flash and DC has to re-ensure making they're creation that good