Molly Hayes vs Captain America

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The caffeine will wear off. But she won't get sleepy. This is crystal in the OP, and I have no idea why it's so hard to comprehend other than you really, really, really want to find a way for him to win, and dislike that a 12 year old girl could stalemate or shock horror perhaps even beat him.

The only thing really hard to comprehend is why someone would feel the need to set up the rules of the fight so that one party cannot win. I don't really care which of these people win here, I care more about the debate so I can talk about fun characters and learn more about them. What is the fun in debating a fight were there is no possible way one of the participants has even a small chance of winning?

Without fatigue Molly does not become weak or vulnerable in any meaningful way, what is the point of making a fight where one party is unable to win? Captain does not have the same benefit of unlimited fatique, and no matter how you slice it he will wear down while Molly won't. Are you just out to make a scenario where Captain America loses?

I just thought of an idea for a great battle thread, Flash vs Wolverine. 1 small catch, Flash cannot tap into the speed force. Sounds like a great time right? 🙄

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
The only thing really hard to comprehend is why someone would feel the need to set up the rules of the fight so that one party cannot win. I don't really care which of these people win here, I care more about the debate so I can talk about fun characters and learn more about them. What is the fun in debating a fight were there is no possible way one of the participants has even a small chance of winning?

Without fatigue Molly does not become weak or vulnerable in any meaningful way, what is the point of making a fight where one party is unable to win? Captain does not have the same benefit of unlimited fatique, and no matter how you slice it he will wear down while Molly won't. Are you just out to make a scenario where Captain America loses?

I just thought of an idea for a great battle thread, Flash vs Wolverine. 1 small catch, Flash cannot tap into the speed force. Sounds like a great time right? 🙄

Yeah but its likely Cap wont tire either.

The only person with the prescribed ability to beat people vastly superior to her is Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
The only thing really hard to comprehend is why someone would feel the need to set up the rules of the fight so that one party cannot win. I don't really care which of these people win here, I care more about the debate so I can talk about fun characters and learn more about them. What is the fun in debating a fight were there is no possible way one of the participants has even a small chance of winning?

Without fatigue Molly does not become weak or vulnerable in any meaningful way, what is the point of making a fight where one party is unable to win? Captain does not have the same benefit of unlimited fatique, and no matter how you slice it he will wear down while Molly won't. Are you just out to make a scenario where Captain America loses?

I just thought of an idea for a great battle thread, Flash vs Wolverine. 1 small catch, Flash cannot tap into the speed force. Sounds like a great time right? 🙄

Stipulations are added to threads all of the time to even the odds. Wolverine fights people without his healing factor. Batman is without any of his tools. Superman fights Hulk without superspeed. Wonder Woman has all her weapons. Superman fights Thing and neither have powers.

Learn to deal. And if you can't don't post in the thread.

You did a bit more than even the odds here, if she does not fatigue she won't become vulnerable to anything that Captain has regardless of her caffine levels, where as he is in the position of not being able to take even one direct hit from her.

Without equal fatigue levels this isn't a fight worth discussing, you took all the fun out of it. You could have at least given Captain no fatique as well, then this would have been more interesting.

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
You did a bit more than even the odds here, if she does not fatigue she won't become vulnerable to anything that Captain has, where as he is in the position of not being able to take even one direct hit from her.

Without fatigue this isn't a fight worth discussing, you took all the fun out of it. You could have at least given Captain no fatique as well, then this would have been more interesting.

If she's whittled down to 3 ton strength then by the same strange logic of some that he can take punches from Spider-Man he can take her punches. Not that she's likely to land punches anyway.

I envisioned this would end in a stalemate, if it's "no fun", meh.

He could take punches like that only with his shield up, if he gets socked in the jaw or ribs he would be done. The super serum doesn't give people unlimited endurance and it doesn't mean he is safe from getting broken bones or the bad end of a KO.

But since you now allow Captain to have unlimited fatigue then this is definitely more interesting, because now he would be able to dodge as long as he needs to.

Now I say stalemate.

PS: Special fight rules FTL.

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
He could take punches like that only with his shield up, if he gets socked in the jaw or ribs he would be done. The super serum doesn't give people unlimited endurance and it doesn't mean he is safe from getting broken bones or the bad end of a KO.

But since you now allow Captain to have unlimited fatigue then this is definitely more interesting, because now he would be able to dodge as long as he needs to.

Now I say stalemate.

PS: Special fight rules FTL.

If she has 3 ton strength Cap can take her punches, but I saw a pic of her lifting up some giant.