Why Do Other Christians Condemn Catholics?

Hey Marichello. Before you post your so called "proofs", in actuality Kent Hovind's proofs, its best that you first check on this link if there is NO refutation for it: http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html

Moon(cosmic) dust, coral, oldest tree, polystrate fossils, Earth's magnetic field, shrinking sun et. al have already been DEBUNKED.

Originally posted by Templares
Hey Marichello. Before you post your so called "proofs", in actuality Kent Hovind's proofs, its best that you first check on this link if there is NO refutation for it: http://talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html

Moon(cosmic) dust, coral, oldest tree, polystrate fossils, Earth's magnetic field, shrinking sun et. al have already been DEBUNKED.

Exactly.

I believe that evolution and God are diametrically opposed. They do not coexist. God has declared by His Word how He created the Heavens (i.e. outer space, atmosphere around earth,) and the earth: by His words.

As far as mechanics here is how God did it:

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

That is pretty plain.

So God speaks and things "be," "exist," or "come into being." That explains why there are no transitional fossil forms. All life came into being suddenly or instantaneously.

More examples of God speaking things into existence:

Genesis 1:3
Then God said,“Let there be light”; and there was light.

Genesis 1:6
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”

Genesis 1:9
Then God said , “ Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:14
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

Genesis 1:20
Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

Genesis 1:24
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.

So based on the Bible God creates certain things (if not all things) by speaking. It is clear that God did not want to use an inferior method like evolution. Evolution is a protracted process that supposedly occurs over eons of years. But everything that God does has a spiritual import and significance. For example, human beings are the only creatures that are made in God's image. No other creature has this claim to fame. Evolution presupposes that all organisms evolved from lower life forms into higher life forms. This process runs counter to God's process of creating creatures that are in His image. God's image is not that of a lower life form that evolved into a higher life form. So right off of the bat this methodology will not work. God wanted creatures that were made in His image and that were made fully mature and ready to reproduce from inception.

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If you were to take the Bible on its own, and believe the words of God.. Ignoring what anyone else may have told you.. would you ever come to the conclusion, from reading your Bible that the earth is Millions of years old?...No. We must remind ourselves that we were not there in the beginning.. But God was. And we have his word on how and when the earth was created.

(16)Oil and the Age of the earth
QUESTION: "Was the oil in the earth formed during the flood? If so, how can we support this?'
RESPONSR: Oil can be formed from the heating of hydrocarbons. "Organic matter buried deep within the ground, in the absence of oxygen, is often exposed to elevated temperatures. This simple heating tedhnology resffirms that millions of years are totally unnecessary, given the right conditions."

(17)The age of other planets
QUESTION: "I question in my mind, that dinosaurs walked with man. What is difficult for me to understand is how the appearance of the universe outside the earth is so old. I do not believe that God created a world, or universe with an appearance of age, that in my mind, walks hand in hand with deception."
RESPONSE:The entire world is subject to decay and is running down as a result of Adam's SIN. This would effect not just earth but other planets as well. The Bible says that man's SIN reached up to the heavens (this would include the stars, other planets, and all of the creation0. This decay process effects everything. [Excerpted from "Jesus, Dinosaurs and more."]

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
...(1)Evolutionists believe the earth is old
Evolutionists claim that the Earth and the solar system is about 4.55 billion years old (plus or minus about 1%). They believe this amount of time is necessary for all the life forms on earth to evolve...

Sorry, but you are wrong on this matter. Scientists believe that the Earth is as old as it is because of the radioactive decay of Uranium.

First of all - Marchello. Didn't you read Templares post? This is all the work of someone who has been scientifically debunked years ago.

That is pretty plain.

So God speaks and things "be," "exist," or "come into being." That explains why there are no transitional fossil forms. All life came into being suddenly or instantaneously.

More examples of God speaking things into existence:

Except that doesn't work because there is not a single bit of evidence that all things were created instantly, that all life existed at the same time. There were no cows in the age of the dinosaurs. No whales. No humans. The progression of life is gradual - the species of today did not exist 100 million years ago. Humans have only existed for the most tiny fragment - hence why there aren't human bones any where near as old as dinosaur bones.

OH no no no no

Based on extensive and detailed scientific evidence, geologists have determined the age of the Earth to be around 4.567 billion years (4.567×109 years).

You go ahead and print quotes from your religious material, IF you can do it, then everyone else can do the same. And according to hindu scripture( the vedic puranas)...............

Certain Hindu puranic views assert that the universe is created, destroyed, and re-created in an eternally repetitive series of cycles. In Hindu cosmology, a universe endures for about 4,320,000,000 years (one day of Brahma, the creator or kalpa) and is then destroyed by fire or water elements

Originally posted by Marchello
… (16)Oil and the Age of the earth
QUESTION: "Was the oil in the earth formed during the flood? If so, how can we support this?'
RESPONSR: Oil can be formed from the heating of hydrocarbons. "Organic matter buried deep within the ground, in the absence of oxygen, is often exposed to elevated temperatures. This simple heating tedhnology resffirms that millions of years are totally unnecessary, given the right conditions."…

And the right conditions for the above to occur would kill every living thing on the planet.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe that evolution and God are diametrically opposed. They do not coexist. God has declared by His Word how He created the Heavens (i.e. outer space, atmosphere around earth,) and the earth: by His words.

As far as mechanics here is how God did it:

[B]Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

That is pretty plain.

So God speaks and things "be," "exist," or "come into being." That explains why there are no transitional fossil forms. All life came into being suddenly or instantaneously.

More examples of God speaking things into existence:

Genesis 1:3
Then God said,“Let there be light”; and there was light.

Genesis 1:6
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”

Genesis 1:9
Then God said , “ Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:14
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

Genesis 1:20
Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

Genesis 1:24
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.

So based on the Bible God creates certain things (if not all things) by speaking. It is clear that God did not want to use an inferior method like evolution. Evolution is a protracted process that supposedly occurs over eons of years. But everything that God does has a spiritual import and significance. For example, human beings are the only creatures that are made in God's image. No other creature has this claim to fame. Evolution presupposes that all organisms evolved from lower life forms into higher life forms. This process runs counter to God's process of creating creatures that are in His image. God's image is not that of a lower life form that evolved into a higher life form. So right off of the bat this methodology will not work. God wanted creatures that were made in His image and that were made fully mature and ready to reproduce from inception. [/B]

Might as well . . . .

DEBUNKED: God's word, the Bible, must be our ultimate authority. The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH100.html

*excerpts*
1. This claim is dogmatism. It suggests no reason for its conclusion. The views of others, that the Bible is not God's word or is not an ultimate authority, have just as much validity.

Happiness is smashing children upon the rocks (Psalms 137:9).

Amen to that.

...What?

*["Actually that is about as far from the truth as possible. The earth has been around for billions of years. All geological/geographical/physical evidence supports this.

The is no proof it has only existed for a Biblical 5000 year or whatever. Especially as there is archaeological evidence of things like Aboriginals in Australia for 20,000 years.

The only place that claim the earth existed for a shorter period is... well, books written in periods where they lacked the scientific knowledge to know better. Like the Bible. That, I am afraid to say, is not a volume of evidence."]

***All you present are conjectures, speculations, and denials...NONE of which are supported by ANY proof whatsoever.

Marchello

*[An impossibly short time ago.

Uh... that is not right. They can tell the age. And you do know they take things into the calculations like sediments and foreign matter and all that? That they have reached a point where they can with reasonable accuracy give a date without people being able to say "Floods!"

And you do know the Biblical story of the flood is impossible don't you? Impossible. And without proof?

Holy dodgy science Batman!

Ah huh. Were exactly are you getting this information? Because I can assure you it is way off.

Holy Conspiracy Batman!

Care to explain which secret lab you snuck into in order to steal the piece of paper with the "secret age of the earth" on it from?

And you do realise that when evolution was first proposed it faced ignorant opposition from the well entrenched creation theory? Care to explain the logic behind evolution being politically correct when it was presented in a time of religious control where the Church defined what was correct and what wasn't? Maybe it has something to do with... dancing all over the claims of creationists with proof of its own claims?

First - claim to explain how come we know about cultures that existed 20,000 years ago? 10,000? 6,001? Might it be because the earth is older then 6000 years?

Oh, and the universe it believed to be 13.7 billion years old. With a concession of 200 million either way?

*coughfalsecough* One is science with proof. The other is belief with no proof. We don't need to have been at the beginning to know."]

***All you present are the rantings of a ignorant man (with an empty head)...speculations, conjectures, and denials...but NO PROOF of anything.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
*["Actually that is about as far from the truth as possible. The earth has been around for billions of years. All geological/geographical/physical evidence supports this.

The is no proof it has only existed for a Biblical 5000 year or whatever. Especially as there is archaeological evidence of things like Aboriginals in Australia for 20,000 years.

The only place that claim the earth existed for a shorter period is... well, books written in periods where they lacked the scientific knowledge to know better. Like the Bible. That, I am afraid to say, is not a volume of evidence."]

***All you present are conjectures, speculations, and denials...NONE of which are supported by ANY proof whatsoever.

Marchello

You should learn about all the evidence for a long-lived Earth before you dismiss it.

Edited My computer is hanging up when I post and then it is double posting. 😠

*["You should learn about all the evidence for a long-lived Earth before you dismiss it."]

***It is impossible to examine ALL of the "evidence" presented by the evolutionists. However, the evidence that I have examined is found to be "wanting" so I have dismissed it.

Marchello

And how is the evidence in the bible *NOT* "wanting"?

Originally posted by Marchello

***Please bear with me because this will be a lengthy discourse...and you deserve an answer that will explain why I feel as I do about the Bible. Too, I excerpted certain things from people that express my feelings and I incorporated them in my explanations to you.

You quoted Hovnid? You should be censured for crimes against humanity. Do you even know who Hovnid is? YOu must be among the most ignorant elements of society to think ANYTHING he says is scientifically, intellectually, or logically viable.

But then again, maybe you're just ignorant.

*["You should learn about all the evidence for a long-lived Earth before you dismiss it."]

***Really? Please explain what you have just said and how this is so. Inquiring minds would like to know.

Marchello

Answer my question please.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["You should learn about all the evidence for a long-lived Earth before you dismiss it."]

***Really? Please explain what you have just said and how this is so. Inquiring minds would like to know.

Marchello

Hovnid is lying. My 10 year olf sister undertands natural history better than he does.