Why Do Other Christians Condemn Catholics?

*["So are you saying that once you are saved, you can then loose that salvation?"]

***No...that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he NEVER had salvation...so he has nothing to lose. He was IN a group of believers...but he was not OF that group of believers...so he went out so that he might be manifest that he was not OF that group. He was never saved.

Marchello

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*["So please, tell me why do you believe in the bible?"]

***Please bear with me because this will be a lengthy discourse...and you deserve an answer that will explain why I feel as I do about the Bible. Too, I excerpted certain things from people that express my feelings and I incorporated them in my explanations to you.

"I choose to believe the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other witnesses. They reported to us supernatural events which took place as the fulfillment of specific prophesies and their writings are divine rather than human in origin." But before your eyes roll over in your head let me show you from the Bible the whole point of that statement.

The apostle Peter tells us the following: "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased.' We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with Him on the sacred mountain. And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." [2 Peter 1:16-21].

(A)Why do I choose to believe the Bible?...because:
(1)It is a reliable collection of historical documents...that's what Peter wrote here..."We did NOT follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Continued)

Because every once in a while, God gets bored and likes to have a good laugh, y'know?

Originally posted by Marchello
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*["So please, tell me why do you believe in the bible?"]

***Please bear with me because this will be a lengthy discourse...and you deserve an answer that will explain why I feel as I do about the Bible. Too, I excerpted certain things from people that express my feelings and I incorporated them in my explanations to you.

"I choose to believe the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other witnesses. They reported to us supernatural events which took place as the fulfillment of specific prophesies and their writings are divine rather than human in origin." But before your eyes roll over in your head let me show you from the Bible the whole point of that statement.

The apostle Peter tells us the following: "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased.' We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with Him on the sacred mountain. And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." [2 Peter 1:16-21].

(A)Why do I choose to believe the Bible?...because:
(1)It is a reliable collection of historical documents...that's what Peter wrote here..."We did NOT follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Continued)

Ok, why do you believe that the bible is a reliable collection of historical documents?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ok, why do you believe that the bible is a reliable collection of historical documents?

Originally posted by Fëanor
I actually think it's a good read, you know...a cup of hot cocoa, a good fire in the fireplace, a cuzzy warm blanket. I mean, it has sex, love and loads of violence. Oh the drama.

Yes, I would agree. But do you believe in the bible absolutely and literally?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, I would agree. But do you believe in the bible absolutely and literally?

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What he is telling us is that he didn't just make this stuff up...he didn't just sit down and decided to make up a bunch of stuff and write a bible...he said, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories."

The truth of the matter is...the Bible is verifiable...there is a huge volume of evidence that validates its content. To date, there are over 23,000 archeological "digs" that verify what the Bible has pinpointed as to the location of historical events and accompanied by the artifacts there. When the Bible says something is somewhere...they WILL find it there. Not one piece of archeological evidence has ever discredited anything in the Bible.
(2)Too, there is an historical basis for the Bible...it gives names, places, dates and archeological evidence which has proved the validity of the Bible over and over again. Therefore...it is not "blind" faith that we put in the Bible...we trust the Bible because it has been proven trustworthy...it has a verifiable "track record" and NOT filled with legends, myths and "fairy tales."

In Luke we are told: "Many have tried to report on the things that happened among us. They have written the same things that we have learned from others...the people who saw those things from the beginning and served God by telling people this message. Since I myself have studied carefully from the beginning, most excellent Theophilus, it seemed good for me to write it out for you. I arranged it in order to help you know that what you have been taught is TRUE." [Luke 1:1-4].

Luke was an historian and a physician...an educated man...he went looking for the FACTS...for the EVIDENCE...and when he found it...he arranged it in order and wrote it down [as professionals do].

(B)Now let us look at the next phrase in Peter's discourse: "...but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty" [2 Peter 1:16]. (Continued)

Originally posted by Marchello
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What he is telling us is that he didn't just make this stuff up...he didn't just sit down and decided to make up a bunch of stuff and write a bible...he said, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories."

The truth of the matter is...the Bible is verifiable...there is a huge volume of evidence that validates its content. To date, there are over 23,000 archeological "digs" that verify what the Bible has pinpointed as to the location of historical events and accompanied by the artifacts there. When the Bible says something is somewhere...they WILL find it there. Not one piece of archeological evidence has ever discredited anything in the Bible.
(2)Too, there is an historical basis for the Bible...it gives names, places, dates and archeological evidence which has proved the validity of the Bible over and over again. Therefore...it is not "blind" faith that we put in the Bible...we trust the Bible because it has been proven trustworthy...it has a verifiable "track record" and NOT filled with legends, myths and "fairy tales."

In Luke we are told: "Many have tried to report on the things that happened among us. They have written the same things that we have learned from others...the people who saw those things from the beginning and served God by telling people this message. Since I myself have studied carefully from the beginning, most excellent Theophilus, it seemed good for me to write it out for you. I arranged it in order to help you know that what you have been taught is TRUE." [Luke 1:1-4].

Luke was an historian and a physician...an educated man...he went looking for the FACTS...for the EVIDENCE...and when he found it...he arranged it in order and wrote it down [as professionals do].

(B)Now let us look at the next phrase in Peter's discourse: "...but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty" [2 Peter 1:16]. (Continued)

Originally posted by Marchello
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What he is telling us is that he didn't just make this stuff up...he didn't just sit down and decided to make up a bunch of stuff and write a bible...he said, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories."

The truth of the matter is...the Bible is verifiable...there is a huge volume of evidence that validates its content. To date, there are over 23,000 archeological "digs" that verify what the Bible has pinpointed as to the location of historical events and accompanied by the artifacts there. When the Bible says something is somewhere...they WILL find it there. Not one piece of archeological evidence has ever discredited anything in the Bible.
(2)Too, there is an historical basis for the Bible...it gives names, places, dates and archeological evidence which has proved the validity of the Bible over and over again. Therefore...it is not "blind" faith that we put in the Bible...we trust the Bible because it has been proven trustworthy...it has a verifiable "track record" and NOT filled with legends, myths and "fairy tales."

In Luke we are told: "Many have tried to report on the things that happened among us. They have written the same things that we have learned from others...the people who saw those things from the beginning and served God by telling people this message. Since I myself have studied carefully from the beginning, most excellent Theophilus, it seemed good for me to write it out for you. I arranged it in order to help you know that what you have been taught is TRUE." [Luke 1:1-4].

Luke was an historian and a physician...an educated man...he went looking for the FACTS...for the EVIDENCE...and when he found it...he arranged it in order and wrote it down [as professionals do].

(B)Now let us look at the next phrase in Peter's discourse: "...but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty" [2 Peter 1:16]. (Continued)

So you believe the bible is true because it's says that it is true. I don't believe that you are that gullible. So, before you knew any thing about the bible, what made you first believe it?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Very simple:

Why the fukc do other sects of Christianity always try to pick out the Catholic and bash him/her?

(Directed at anyone, but mostly JIA)

Because we are bored and have nothing else to do...

*shrugs* I dunno really. I never had a problem with Chatholics, Mormans or anything under the sun.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Very simple:

Why do other sects of Christianity always try to pick out the Catholic and bash him/her?

(Directed at anyone, but mostly JIA)

The only validation for the rest of Christianity is if the Catholic Church is not correct. The Catholic Church must be false or all other sects are incorrect. Many people have difficulty separating the individual from the beliefs they subscribe to, and so personal attacks occur.

*["So you believe the bible is true because it's says that it is true. I don't believe that you are that gullible. So, before you knew any thing about the bible, what made you first believe it?"]

***Sir:

'Tis sad that you would comment negatively before I have even completed my correspondence to you...which tells me that you have rejected anything that I have or will present in the future. Too, it tells me that you are not open to the truth...nor do you want to know the truth that the Scriptures present.

I do not come to this board to castigate anyone or cast aspersions on their religion...I only come here to share my faith. You have rejected beforehand my "sharing"...therefore I will not continue to go on with this discourse for it would be an exercise in futility...confirming what is written: "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST" [2 Corinthians 4:3].

Marchello

*["...the fact that the earth has been around millions and millions of years?..."]

***There in NO empiracal proof that this is true...on the contrary, there is a volume of evidence that says otherwise.

Marchello

*["...i'm confused?..."]

***Yes, you are...but at least you are honest about it.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...the fact that the earth has been around millions and millions of years?..."]

***There in NO empiracal proof that this is true...on the contrary, there is a volume of evidence that says otherwise.

Marchello

Which evidence is that. PLEASE. Refresh my memory.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...the fact that the earth has been around millions and millions of years?..."]

***There in NO empiracal proof that this is true...on the contrary, there is a volume of evidence that says otherwise.

Marchello

Actually that is about as far from the truth as possible. The earth has been around for billions of years. All geological/geographical/physical evidence supports this.

The is no proof it has only existed for a Biblical 5000 year or whatever. Especially as there is archaeological evidence of things like Aboriginals in Australia for 20,000 years.

The only place that claim the earth existed for a shorter period is... well, books written in periods where they lacked the scientific knowledge to know better. Like the Bible. That, I am afraid to say, is not a volume of evidence.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["So you believe the bible is true because it's says that it is true. I don't believe that you are that gullible. So, before you knew any thing about the bible, what made you first believe it?"]

***Sir:

'Tis sad that you would comment negatively before I have even completed my correspondence to you...which tells me that you have rejected anything that I have or will present in the future. Too, it tells me that you are not open to the truth...nor do you want to know the truth that the Scriptures present.

I do not come to this board to castigate anyone or cast aspersions on their religion...I only come here to share my faith. You have rejected beforehand my "sharing"...therefore I will not continue to go on with this discourse for it would be an exercise in futility...confirming what is written: "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST" [2 Corinthians 4:3].

Marchello

Ok, this is annoying, so here is a bit of advice:

[List][*]Use the quote tag: [quote] the quotation {/quote} (just use the square brackets instead on the close.)
[*]I typically open more tabs and cut and paste including the quote tags from a reply page, if I quote more than one person/post in a single post.[/list]

Now please use the quotes, this ** crap is a pain to read through

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*["...PLEASE. Refresh my memory."]

***Thank you...I believe I will.

No where in the Bible does God tell us the exact year of Creation. But by simply studying the scriptures we can certainly get an idea of when this took place.

(1)Evolutionists believe the earth is old
Evolutionists claim that the Earth and the solar system is about 4.55 billion years old (plus or minus about 1%). They believe this amount of time is necessary for all the life forms on earth to evolve.

(2)The present is not the key to the past
We can not look at current rates of rock formation, erosion, etc to determine the age of the earth because there may have been factors in the past that are not happening in the present. In fact the Bible tells us just that. A flood covered the entire earth...this would alter, shift and mix up the entire face of the earth. This flood also altered the rate of sediments laid down, the formation of sedimentary rock and also the rate of erosion. Something that may take many years to form today (the Grand Canyon for instance) could have formed quite quickly during the flood.

The Bible even predicted that in the "last days" there would be those who scoff at the Bible, and claim that "all things continue as they were from the beginning" [2 Peter 3:3]. This seems to say that there would be a predominance of uniformatarianism thinking. Mountains form slowly today, so they assume that they must have formed slowly in the past. The Creation model tells us that mountains formed quickly as the result of the flood.

(Continued)

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(3)No matter how old the earth is, Evolution is impossible
Everything we know of Science (entropy etc..) tells us that even if the world was millions or even billions of years old, evolution would still be impossible. In the popular press we are led to believe that the antiquity of the earth is a proven fact. We are told that all
Scientists believe the world is old, and that all of our dating methods confirm this. The truth is, many well qualified Scientists, and lay people alike are well justified in their belief that the earth, and universe is quite young.

A secret they have learned is one that you may never have been told. It is this: Though a few assorted dating
methods give the age of the earth in millions of years, there are far more that limit the age of the earth to a mere few thousand years. Why are we not told of these? It is because they go against the politically correct notion of Evolution.

Evolutionists believe that the universe slowly began to form 20 billion years ago. They believe the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. While many Young Earth Creationists believe that the earth was Created instantaneously about 6 thousand years ago.

Both of these are belief systems. Neither one can be proven because no one was there to witness the event, and it can not be repeated. But we can examine the evidence and decide which one is more plausible.

(Continued)