Originally posted by Alliance
The Bible give us contradictory accounts of creation and you expect it to tell us how?
While I don't fully understand what you mean, the Bible only says that God was the source for creation, it does not tell us his methods, his time scheme, his plans, or anything like that.
Example, Alliance made the field-mouse, it doesn't say how you made it, when you made it or how long it will last, it just says you did.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
While I don't fully understand what you mean, the Bible only says that God was the source for creation, it does not tell us his methods, his time scheme, his plans, or anything like that.Example, Alliance made the field-mouse, it doesn't say how you made it, when you made it or how long it will last, it just says you did.
However, there are Christians out there, in the real world, that take every word of the bible literally as fact just as it is written.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
While I don't fully understand what you mean, the Bible only says that God was the source for creation, it does not tell us his methods, his time scheme, his plans, or anything like that.Example, Alliance made the field-mouse, it doesn't say how you made it, when you made it or how long it will last, it just says you did.
Read Genesis 1 and 2. The order in which living things are created is different.
A Short List
Originally posted by Alliance
Read Genesis 1 and 2. The order in which living things are created is different.
[list][*]In Genesis 1:1-31, the creation takes six days, but in Genesis 2:4, the creation takes one day.
[*]In Genesis 1:11-27, God creates the plants before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:5-25, God creates man first, the plants next, and then woman.
[*]In Genesis 1:14-19, God creates the stars before He creates the earth, but in Job 38:4-7, God creates the stars after He creates the earth.
[*]In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground.
[*]In Genesis 1:25-27, God creates the animals before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, the animals next, and then woman.
[*]In Genesis 1:27, God creates man and woman at the same time, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, then woman.[/list]
Moreover, in Genesis 1, creation is orderly; God creates step-by-step. In Genesis 2, however, creation is not orderly; God modifies things as He goes, e.g. man is not satisfied with animals so God creates woman.
Furthermore, in Genesis 1, after each step of creation God is satisfied and says, "It is good." In Genesis 2, however, God goes back and makes changes to the things He created previously.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
While I don't fully understand what you mean, the Bible only says that God was the source for creation, it does not tell us his methods, his time scheme, his plans, or anything like that.Example, Alliance made the field-mouse, it doesn't say how you made it, when you made it or how long it will last, it just says you did.
Simply put Grand_Moff_Gav the Bible reveals that God created Adam and Eve fully developed. God created them from the dust of the ground (actually Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs). God breathed into them the breath of life. There isn't any Scriptural support for the theory or belief that God used evolution to create life. Biblical record suggests that life was created. Support for this line of reasoning is corroborated by the fact that the Bible states that everything produces according to its kind (i.e. its particular species). For example, a shark can only reproduce other sharks. No matter how many eons of time elapse a shark cannot procreate an elephant. A dog can never procreate a cat. A bird cannot ever produce a cow, and humans will never produce apes because everything produces according to its kind (i.e. species). The whole evolutionary theory is illogical and unreasonable. Have you ever wondered why there are no intermediate animals proving the progression from lower life forms into modern-day humans? It is because evolution never occurred and it is not true.
Fish, birds, livestock, deer, otters, bats etc. are completely different from each other because everything produces according to its kind. There is a dog "kind," bird "kind," frog "kind," horse "kind," pig "kind," whale "kind," jellyfish "kind." In fact, nature itself reflects the Biblical record with respect to all life forms producing according to their kind. Each kind may have many variations (or breeds) within its species. For example, within the dog "kind" there are poodles, German shephards, beagles, labradors, greyhounds, collies etc. But each dog remains a dog. Each variation (i.e. breed) of dog produces another dog. This is consistent with what the Bible reveals. Dogs don't become goats and buffaloes do not become snakes because everything produces according to its kind. This is the way it has always been. It is interesting that another word for humans is human-"kind." This is because humans can only reproduce other humans. Apes do not produce alligators, and monkeys do not produce chickens. Apes produce apes, alligators produce other alligators, monkeys produce other monkeys, and chickens produce other chickens. Moreover, within the fish "kind" there are goldfish, catfish, red snapper, tuna, starfish, sharks etc. Within the snake "kind" there are cobras, vipers, rattlesnakes, boas, pythons, garter snakes etc. Within the bird "kind" there are sparrows, falcons, hummingbirds, eagles, parrots, owls, etc. Within the cat “kind” there are Manx cats, Siamese cats, Persian cats, Oriental cats, Javanese cats, Burmese cats etc. But these are not new species. Each cat represents a different breed of the cat species. But each cat, snake, bird, fish, and dog does not evolve into some other species. Each animal produces another one just like it (or a different breed of it) but never some other species. For example, an ape will not produce a monkey, and a cat will not produce a lion will and a giraffe will not produce an elephant.
So how does this relate to humans and their relationship to God. Just like God is not an animal, humans are not animals. We are the only creatures that God created in His own image (the image of the Father, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit). We are the only creatures that are tripartite in nature. We are spirit, we have a soul (the mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and we have a body. The spirit and soul dwell inside of a physical house called the body. Most people are aware of this reality. At funerals all over the world people acknowledge that when a person dies (meaning when their physical body ceases to live) that that is not the end of that person's existence. Many people affirm that their deceased love ones are in a better place (it is almost an innate knowledge that people have about death). What they mean is that the “spirit and soul” of their love one is in another place. The body is in a casket because the body is not the real you. It is only the house that the real you (the spirit) lives in. You are a spirit, you have a soul (mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and you live in a body (until your body dies). Human beings are the only creatures that are rational and equipped with an inborn faculty called the conscience. Human beings are the only creatures that sense the need to worship a higher power. There are cultures all over the world that demonstrate this fact. Human beings have abilities that the animal kingdom will never possess. For instance, humans are able to speak intelligible words, write books, invent new and more complex technology, construct skyscrapers, design space shuttles, solve complex equations, perform surgery on various parts of the human body, reason with logic, wisdom, and intelligence to arrive at some sound conclusion, etc. I could continue but you get the point. None of the creatures that comprise the animal kingdom have any of those abilities because they were not made in God’s image. Animals have instinct which means they do what they were programmed to do. They don’t have to learn how to do anything as such. Roosters crow instinctively. Dogs bark instinctively. Sheep bleat instinctively. Lions roar by instinct. Turkeys gobble by instinct. Birds chirp and caw by instinct. Fish swim by instinct and cats purr and meow—all by instinct. But humans must learn how to speak, write, read, solve complex mathematical equations, walk, ride a bike, swim, practice medicine or law, fly a plane, or write a computer program. Animals don’t express compassion, mercy, love, and kindness. Animals cannot express romance or pity, ambition and goal-setting. They only do what they were programmed to do. Stop and think about it: for as long as this planet has been here, how many animals do you know of that have ever tried to take over society? The thought has never entered their mind because they only do what they were programmed to do. No animal will usurp human authority. Now, how many humans (those of us who were created in God’s image and likeness, with the capacity to love, show mercy, show compassion, think rationally, think logically, invent new technology, run a business, run for office, etc.) have you seen try and lead a revolt? There are too many to count. I said all that to say this: evolution is an unfounded, unreasonable, implausible, illogical and scientifically unacceptable body of principles offered to explain how life came into existence.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlivei take offense to you saying being an atheist is the same as being wicked, in my oppinion shutting out your mind to everything but one belief is wicked, athiests are just openned minded people who relize that god isn't real and believe in science
[B]atheism
One entry found for atheism.Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deityThis test is for atheists only
If you are a true atheist then clink on the link below and take a short test to prove your authenticity. Only real atheists are challenged and invited to take this test.
Start with the question: Are you an honest atheist? Answer yes or no then continue with the rest of this test.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheiststest.html [/B]
Originally posted by The big EH
i take offense to you saying being an atheist is the same as being wicked, in my oppinion shutting out your mind to everything but one belief is wicked, athiests are just openned minded people who relize that god isn't real and believe in science
That's terribly over-simplifying it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveirst off nbody will read a post that damn long second off, the book was written like 2000 years ago, by regular people, it was used to govern the people, and it is completely impossible to create something as complex as the human body from dust, you can't make something from nothing, dust doesn't have anything that makes up the human body
Simply put Grand_Moff_Gav the Bible reveals that God created Adam and Eve fully developed. God created them from the dust of the ground (actually Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs). God breathed into them the breath of life. There isn't any Scriptural support for the theory or belief that God used evolution to create life. Biblical record suggests that life was created. Support for this line of reasoning is corroborated by the fact that the Bible states that everything produces according to its kind (i.e. its particular species). For example, a shark can only reproduce other sharks. No matter how many eons of time elapse a shark cannot procreate an elephant. A dog can never procreate a cat. A bird cannot ever produce a cow, and humans will never produce apes because everything produces according to its kind (i.e. species). The whole evolutionary theory is illogical and unreasonable. Have you ever wondered why there are no intermediate animals proving the progression from lower life forms into modern-day humans? It is because evolution never occurred and it is not true.Fish, birds, livestock, deer, otters, bats etc. are completely different from each other because everything produces according to its kind. There is a dog "kind," bird "kind," frog "kind," horse "kind," pig "kind," whale "kind," jellyfish "kind." In fact, nature itself reflects the Biblical record with respect to all life forms producing according to their kind. Each kind may have many variations (or breeds) within its species. For example, within the dog "kind" there are poodles, German shephards, beagles, labradors, greyhounds, collies etc. But each dog remains a dog. Each variation (i.e. breed) of dog produces another dog. This is consistent with what the Bible reveals. Dogs don't become goats and buffaloes do not become snakes because everything produces according to its kind. This is the way it has always been. It is interesting that another word for humans is human-"kind." This is because humans can only reproduce other humans. Apes do not produce alligators, and monkeys do not produce chickens. Apes produce apes, alligators produce other alligators, monkeys produce other monkeys, and chickens produce other chickens. Moreover, within the fish "kind" there are goldfish, catfish, red snapper, tuna, starfish, sharks etc. Within the snake "kind" there are cobras, vipers, rattlesnakes, boas, pythons, garter snakes etc. Within the bird "kind" there are sparrows, falcons, hummingbirds, eagles, parrots, owls, etc. Within the cat “kind” there are Manx cats, Siamese cats, Persian cats, Oriental cats, Javanese cats, Burmese cats etc. But these are not new species. Each cat represents a different breed of the cat species. But each cat, snake, bird, fish, and dog does not evolve into some other species. Each animal produces another one just like it (or a different breed of it) but never some other species. For example, an ape will not produce a monkey, and a cat will not produce a lion will and a giraffe will not produce an elephant.
So how does this relate to humans and their relationship to God. Just like God is not an animal, humans are not animals. We are the only creatures that God created in His own image (the image of the Father, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit). We are the only creatures that are tripartite in nature. We are spirit, we have a soul (the mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and we have a body. The spirit and soul dwell inside of a physical house called the body. Most people are aware of this reality. At funerals all over the world people acknowledge that when a person dies (meaning when their physical body ceases to live) that that is not the end of that person's existence. Many people affirm that their deceased love ones are in a better place (it is almost an innate knowledge that people have about death). What they mean is that the “spirit and soul” of their love one is in another place. The body is in a casket because the body is not the real you. It is only the house that the real you (the spirit) lives in. You are a spirit, you have a soul (mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and you live in a body (until your body dies). Human beings are the only creatures that are rational and equipped with an inborn faculty called the conscience. Human beings are the only creatures that sense the need to worship a higher power. There are cultures all over the world that demonstrate this fact. Human beings have abilities that the animal kingdom will never possess. For instance, humans are able to speak intelligible words, write books, invent new and more complex technology, construct skyscrapers, design space shuttles, solve complex equations, perform surgery on various parts of the human body, reason with logic, wisdom, and intelligence to arrive at some sound conclusion, etc. I could continue but you get the point. None of the creatures that comprise the animal kingdom have any of those abilities because they were not made in God’s image. Animals have instinct which means they do what they were programmed to do. They don’t have to learn how to do anything as such. Roosters crow instinctively. Dogs bark instinctively. Sheep bleat instinctively. Lions roar by instinct. Turkeys gobble by instinct. Birds chirp and caw by instinct. Fish swim by instinct and cats purr and meow—all by instinct. But humans must learn how to speak, write, read, solve complex mathematical equations, walk, ride a bike, swim, practice medicine or law, fly a plane, or write a computer program. Animals don’t express compassion, mercy, love, and kindness. Animals cannot express romance or pity, ambition and goal-setting. They only do what they were programmed to do. Stop and think about it: for as long as this planet has been here, how many animals do you know of that have ever tried to take over society? The thought has never entered their mind because they only do what they were programmed to do. No animal will usurp human authority. Now, how many humans (those of us who were created in God’s image and likeness, with the capacity to love, show mercy, show compassion, think rationally, think logically, invent new technology, run a business, run for office, etc.) have you seen try and lead a revolt? There are too many to count. I said all that to say this: evolution is an unfounded, unreasonable, implausible, illogical and scientifically unacceptable body of principles offered to explain how life came into existence.
Originally posted by The big EH
i take offense to you saying being an atheist is the same as being wicked, in my oppinion shutting out your mind to everything but one belief is wicked, athiests are just openned minded people who relize that god isn't real and believe in science
The big EH, guess what? I didn't write the dictionary. I simply copied and pasted the definition of the word atheist. So, perhaps you should take your offense and your issues up with the writers of Merriam Websters Online Dictionary. Ok pal? But if you want I will take responsibility for what I pasted, but I just want you to be aware that I did not write those words.
Oh, God is real, you'll see one day.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The big EH, guess what? I didn't write the dictionary. I simply copied and pasted the definition of the word atheist. So, perhaps you should take your offense and your issues up with the writers of Merriam Websters Online Dictionary. Ok pal? But if you want I will take responsibility for what I pasted, but I just want you to be aware that I did not write those words.Oh, God is real, you'll see one day.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The big EH, guess what? I didn't write the dictionary. I simply copied and pasted the definition of the word atheist. So, perhaps you should take your offense and your issues up with the writers of Merriam Websters Online Dictionary. Ok pal? But if you want I will take responsibility for what I pasted, but I just want you to be aware that I did not write those words.
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Grand_Moff_Gav, you wrote:
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
While I don't fully understand what you mean, the Bible only says that God was the source for creation, it does not tell us his methods, his time scheme, his plans, or anything like that.Example, Alliance made the field-mouse, it doesn't say how you made it, when you made it or how long it will last, it just says you did.
But I wrote:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive Simply put Grand_Moff_Gav the Bible reveals that God created Adam and Eve fully developed. God created them from the dust of the ground (actually Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs). God breathed into them the breath of life. There isn't any Scriptural support for the theory or belief that God used evolution to create life. Biblical record suggests that life was created. Support for this line of reasoning is corroborated by the fact that the Bible states that everything produces according to its kind (i.e. its particular species). For example, a shark can only reproduce other sharks. No matter how many eons of time elapse a shark cannot procreate an elephant. A dog can never procreate a cat. A bird cannot ever produce a cow, and humans will never produce apes because everything produces according to its kind (i.e. species). The whole evolutionary theory is illogical and unreasonable. Have you ever wondered why there are no intermediate animals proving the progression from lower life forms into modern-day humans? It is because evolution never occurred and it is not true.Fish, birds, livestock, deer, otters, bats etc. are completely different from each other because everything produces according to its kind. There is a dog "kind," bird "kind," frog "kind," horse "kind," pig "kind," whale "kind," jellyfish "kind." In fact, nature itself reflects the Biblical record with respect to all life forms producing according to their kind. Each kind may have many variations (or breeds) within its species. For example, within the dog "kind" there are poodles, German shephards, beagles, labradors, greyhounds, collies etc. But each dog remains a dog. Each variation (i.e. breed) of dog produces another dog. This is consistent with what the Bible reveals. Dogs don't become goats and buffaloes do not become snakes because everything produces according to its kind. This is the way it has always been. It is interesting that another word for humans is human-"kind." This is because humans can only reproduce other humans. Apes do not produce alligators, and monkeys do not produce chickens. Apes produce apes, alligators produce other alligators, monkeys produce other monkeys, and chickens produce other chickens. Moreover, within the fish "kind" there are goldfish, catfish, red snapper, tuna, starfish, sharks etc. Within the snake "kind" there are cobras, vipers, rattlesnakes, boas, pythons, garter snakes etc. Within the bird "kind" there are sparrows, falcons, hummingbirds, eagles, parrots, owls, etc. Within the cat “kind” there are Manx cats, Siamese cats, Persian cats, Oriental cats, Javanese cats, Burmese cats etc. But these are not new species. Each cat represents a different breed of the cat species. But each cat, snake, bird, fish, and dog does not evolve into some other species. Each animal produces another one just like it (or a different breed of it) but never some other species. For example, an ape will not produce a monkey, and a cat will not produce a lion will and a giraffe will not produce an elephant.
So how does this relate to humans and their relationship to God. Just like God is not an animal, humans are not animals. We are the only creatures that God created in His own image (the image of the Father, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit). We are the only creatures that are tripartite in nature. We are spirit, we have a soul (the mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and we have a body. The spirit and soul dwell inside of a physical house called the body. Most people are aware of this reality. At funerals all over the world people acknowledge that when a person dies (meaning when their physical body ceases to live) that that is not the end of that person's existence. Many people affirm that their deceased love ones are in a better place (it is almost an innate knowledge that people have about death). What they mean is that the “spirit and soul” of their love one is in another place. The body is in a casket because the body is not the real you. It is only the house that the real you (the spirit) lives in. You are a spirit, you have a soul (mind, will, emotions, intellect, and personality), and you live in a body (until your body dies). Human beings are the only creatures that are rational and equipped with an inborn faculty called the conscience. Human beings are the only creatures that sense the need to worship a higher power. There are cultures all over the world that demonstrate this fact. Human beings have abilities that the animal kingdom will never possess. For instance, humans are able to speak intelligible words, write books, invent new and more complex technology, construct skyscrapers, design space shuttles, solve complex equations, perform surgery on various parts of the human body, reason with logic, wisdom, and intelligence to arrive at some sound conclusion, etc. I could continue but you get the point. None of the creatures that comprise the animal kingdom have any of those abilities because they were not made in God’s image. Animals have instinct which means they do what they were programmed to do. They don’t have to learn how to do anything as such. Roosters crow instinctively. Dogs bark instinctively. Sheep bleat instinctively. Lions roar by instinct. Turkeys gobble by instinct. Birds chirp and caw by instinct. Fish swim by instinct and cats purr and meow—all by instinct. But humans must learn how to speak, write, read, solve complex mathematical equations, walk, ride a bike, swim, practice medicine or law, fly a plane, or write a computer program. Animals don’t express compassion, mercy, love, and kindness. Animals cannot express romance or pity, ambition and goal-setting. They only do what they were programmed to do. Stop and think about it: for as long as this planet has been here, how many animals do you know of that have ever tried to take over society? The thought has never entered their mind because they only do what they were programmed to do. No animal will usurp human authority. Now, how many humans (those of us who were created in God’s image and likeness, with the capacity to love, show mercy, show compassion, think rationally, think logically, invent new technology, run a business, run for office, etc.) have you seen try and lead a revolt? There are too many to count. I said all that to say this: evolution is an unfounded, unreasonable, implausible, illogical and scientifically unacceptable body of principles offered to explain how life came into existence.
Do you have any comments or any rebuttal?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAnd what about lillyth, Adam's first wife, who God banished because she wanted to be more powerful than Adam?
Simply put Grand_Moff_Gav the Bible reveals that God created Adam and Eve fully developed. God created them from the dust of the ground (actually Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs). God breathed into them the breath of life.
There isn't any Scriptural support for the theory or belief that God used evolution to create life. Biblical record suggests that life was created.That's because Evolution came about in the 19th century, the time of scienece where a lot of biblical questions had been answered.
Originally posted by lord xyz
And what about lillyth, Adam's first wife, who God banished because she wanted to be more powerful than Adam?That's because Evolution came about in the 19th century, the time of scienece where a lot of biblical questions had been answered.
According to God's Book (the holy Bible) Adam had/has only one wife, her name is Eve.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive😆 Please show us this "dictionary".
The big EH, guess what? I didn't write the dictionary. I simply copied and pasted the definition of the word atheist. So, perhaps you should take your offense and your issues up with the writers of Merriam Websters Online Dictionary. Ok pal? But if you want I will take responsibility for what I pasted, but I just want you to be aware that I did not write those words.Oh, God is real, you'll see one day.
Is that last sentence supposed to be a threat?