Atheism Test

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Originally posted by lord xyz
😆 Please show us this "dictionary".

Is that last sentence supposed to be a threat?

No lord xyz, that last sentence is not a threat. I hope that it was not interpreted as a threat. I certainly did not mean it in that way. Nevetheless, God does exist and we will all stand before Him one day and give account for our lives. Some of us will be elated to see Him (after all of this time believing that He existed without ever actually seeing Him), but others will not be happy. Unfortunately, many will be in absolute sorrow.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No lord xyz, that last sentence is not a threat. I hope that it was not interpreted as a threat. I certainly did not mean it in that way. Nevetheless, God does exist and we will all stand before Him one day and give account for our lives. Some of us will be elated to see Him (after all of this time believing that existed without ever actually seeing Him), but others will not be happy. Unfortunately, many will be in absolute sorrow.
And what makes you think this?

Originally posted by lord xyz
And what makes you think this?

Many will regret not accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior once they see Him, and once the blindness is removed from their minds. They will be able to fully realize everything that Jesus Christ accomplished for them but it will be too late.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Many will regret not accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior once they see Him, and once the blindness is removed from their minds. They will be able to fully realize everything that Jesus Christ accomplished for them but it will be too late.
You haven't answered my question, instead posted unrelated religious hypocrisy, you must be very proud.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Is that last sentence supposed to be a threat?

Of course it's a threat. In most religions, you start off with all these peaceful happy things, a few rules that help in moral behavior and you round it out with a threat to capitalize on human nature. But they never say it's a threat, they just like to point out that you'll spend all of eternity suffering if you don't see things the way they do.

Originally posted by Devil King
Of course it's a threat. In most religions, you start off with all these peaceful happy things, a few rules that help in moral behavior and you round it out with a threat to capitalize on human nature. But they never say it's a threat, they just like to point out that you'll spend all of eternity suffering if you don't see things the way they do.
It's terrorism, that's what it is.

"Are you a mumslim?"
"No."
*reveals loaded gun and points it to the other person* "How about now?"

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's terrorism, that's what it is.

Yes, emotional terrorism.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's terrorism, that's what it is.

"Are you a mumslim?"
"No."
*reveals loaded gun and points it to the other person* "How about now?"

Apples and oranges. Those who have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and Islam.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Apples and oranges. Those who have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and Islam.
I'm talking about religion as a whole. you're no different. Infact, you remind me of muslimscholar.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Apples and oranges. Those who have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and Islam.

And salvation from being humans.

The Faith of an Atheist

By William Stewart

Just this past week, I had the opportunity to talk with a self-proclaimed Atheist. I found it to be a rather interesting conversation. He discussed several things, which he found to be adequate evidence to discount the existence of God, none of which stood to any measure of inspection. Yet, he vehemently stood firm on the grounds of "scientific fact." He related to me that he found believing in God to be impossibility, due to a lack of evidence. I heard him out, and then decided to share with him some things important to his situation. I began with the statement, "It takes more faith to be an Atheist than it does to be a Christian." If nothing else, this statement certainly perked his interest. He then declared to me that Atheism requires no faith, for it is based upon solid scientific data. I went on to share the following number of points with him concerning the faith of an Atheist.

To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

As we look about us, we see that man is a religious creature by nature. Regardless of where you go, you will find people who have a need to worship some greater being than themselves. The Romans and Greeks had their mythological gods. Many submit themselves to the worship of Buddha. Allah is considered by a great number of people to be worthy of worship and praise. But most of all, the God of heaven, tile one true God is the focus of many. If you were to stand on a street corner, asking whether people believe in God or not, I say with confidence that if each individual answered truthfully, you would be hard pressed to find any who will say no. This brings us to one of two conclusions:

1. It is practical and sensible to believe there has to be an eternal being superior to ourselves
2. The larger part of society is completely irrational.

To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT MATTER IS EITHER ETERNAL OR IT CREATED ITSELF.

To hold to the ideas of atheism, which is for the most part partial to the theory of evolution, one must believe that matter is either eternal or it created itself. Seeing that the Atheist has removed the possibility of a Creator, these are the only two options which remain. I asked the individual about the nature of the universe: ETERNAL or HAD A BEGINNING. A seemingly easy question, but over and over, he declined to give a straight answer. Yet, if we look at the evidence, we understand that the universe had a beginning. Scientists themselves attempt to assign an age to our planet, and the universe as a whole. Those things which are eternal have no age. The reason they attempt to assign an age to the world in which we live is because it bears the characteristics of age. Such things, which are eternal, are not governed by time. We are told in Scripture that with the Lord a "...day is as a thousand years, a thousand years as a day." Yet, the universe is subject to time. The universe is running down. It is wearing out. Things on earth are corrupt, and worsening year after year. It is approaching an inevitable end. It cannot be eternal. The only other option for those who deny the presence of a Supreme God is that the universe created itself. That is possibly the most absurd thing, which could ever be considered. Matter does not have the ability to create itself. A desk cannot bring itself into existence. What man has ever created him! If matter were able to create itself, consider the chaos which would occur! One would possibly be driving along a road, and a tree would appear from nowhere! Yet such things do not occur!

To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT LIFE IS SPONTANEOUSLY GENERATED.

In denying the existence of God, the Atheist is forced to believe that life is able to spontaneously generate. In other words, life can come from that which has none. We understand God to be the Creator of all things, and that He is the source of life. Yet, if we remove God from the picture, we remove the breath of life which He gives. Thus, somewhere along the line, according to the Atheist's belief system, life spontaneously came into being. It never existed before. It has absolutely no source. It just started itself somehow at some time.

To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT ORDER AND DESIGN ARE RESULTS OF NON- INTELLIGENT ACCIDENTS.

As we look about us at the wonders of creation, we can understand that God is the Master Designer. He purposefully created the world with order. Trees need carbon dioxide, mammals need oxygen. The two complement one another with the exchange of these gases. Our planet is exactly the correct distance from the sun. Any closer, we would burn up. Any further away, we would freeze. Approximately 2/3 of the earth is covered with water. This keeps the core temperature at an acceptable level. The gravitational forces on earth are such that we can walk freely about, without fear of being driven into the ground, nor lifted into space. The human body is a wondrous design. It is designed to repair itself in many instances. It has several functions, which automatically are cared for without the need for us even thinking about them. As was written, we are "...fearfully and wonderfully made." The Atheist though must affirm that all these wonders, and many, many more are merely the result of an accidental happening. They, claim that no intelligence was involved in the forming of our world. It was simply the process of a " big bang." If such is possible, that something as wonderful as the universe can result from an unintelligent "bang,"' then something which is infinitely simpler should also be able to come together with a logical order and design without intelligence. For instance, what if we should disassemble a watch, place all the parts into a box, close the box, and begin shaking. How long before the watch will be fully assembled again? Shake as much and as hard as you can, you will never result in a watch. Though all the needed parts are present, a watchmaker is also needed. A source of intelligent construction. How much more does the universe need an intelligent Maker? ,

To Be An Atheist, On Must Believe... THAT NON- CONSCIOUSNESS EVOLVES TO CONSCIOUSNESS.

The theory of evolution affirms that we are the descendants of a one-cell organism. This one- cell organism has no consciousness. It does not know that it exists. We, who are conscious of ourselves, and of the happenings surrounding us, according to the assertions of the atheist have evolved from this creature. How is it we became conscious beings? Can consciousness come from unconsciousness? If it can, does that mean that someday my desk will be aware of itself? I should hope not; it may decide then to walk away, since it would be its own being.

To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT NON-MORALITY EVOLVES TO MORALITY.

Atheists have a hard time explaining morality. If we evolved from creatures that operate on instinct, not conscience, how is it that we have developed the ability to use conscience? Where did morality find its beginning? Did one ape finally decide that killing another ape was wrong? Did one decide that it was wrong to steal another ape's supper? No such things have occurred! Morality finds it origin in the existence of God. He has given a law, which therein establishes morality. However, the Atheist cannot explain where morality came from. Further, the Atheist can not give a reason for doing good. There is no reason, if we will not be judged. Why should we yield our own desires in order to serve others? The answer, we shall be judged!

Truly, Atheism is a faith. And without doubt, upon careful examination, it would seem that it takes more faith to be an Atheist than it does to be a Christian. Paul wrote, "...since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things which are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." The world in which we live declares on a daily basis, GOD IS. If one is sincere in their search, they cannot help but come to the conclusion that there is an eternal God, who is Creator of all.

http://www.ktc.net/jcthwychurch/Articles/faith_of_an_atheist.htm

^ This is full of logical errors, and to believe it, one must suspend all reason.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
^ This is full of logical errors, and to believe it, one must suspend all reason.

That is precisely why atheism makes no sense.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is precisely why atheism makes no sense.

"The Faith of Atheism" is full of logical errors, and to believe it, one must suspend all reason is precisely why atheism makes no sense? Fail.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Faith of Atheism" is full of logical errors, and to believe it, one must suspend all reason is precisely why atheism makes no sense? Fail.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
^ This is full of logical errors, and to believe it, one must suspend all reason.

If atheism were accepted by "faith" it would be still require more faith to believe in its supposition based on the circumstances.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If atheism were accepted by "faith" it would be still require more faith to believe in its supposition based on the circumstances.

Faith is any belief that is not substantiated by material evidence. It takes no greater or lesser degree of faith to hold one belief without evidence then it does to hold another belief without evidence. Fail.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If atheism were accepted by "faith" it would be still require more faith to believe in its supposition based on the circumstances.

Atheism is a belief at its lowest level

however, there is only one system of logic and evidence in the world that would suppose that the Christian god is more in line with the evidence than anything else. That system is Christianity.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Faith is any belief that is not substantiated by material evidence. It takes no greater or lesser degree of faith to hold one belief without evidence then it does to hold another belief without evidence. Fail.

Sure it does. For example, the Christian faith which is based on the Bible (which incidentally is to the Christian material evidence) is founded on very, very, plausible criteria. The world, the laws that govern it, all of the intelligence that exists in many facets of life, and many other circmustantial evidence all point to an intelligent Designer. Therefore, it takes less faith to believe that an intelligent Designer created the universe and everything in than it does to believe that the universe came about by blind, random, chance occurence considering all of the evidence which belies that mode of thinking.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sure it does. For example, the Christian faith which is based on the Bible (which incidentally is to the Christian material evidence) is founded on very, very, plausible criteria. The world, the laws that govern it, all of the intelligence that exists in many facets of life, and many other circmustantial evidence all point to an intelligent Designer. Therefore, it takes less faith to believe that an intelligent Designer created the universe and everything in than it does to believe that the universe came about by blind, random, chance occurence considering all of the evidence which belies that mode of thinking.

What evidence do you have that I am not the uncaused cause?

Even if we accept your notion that there is a designer of the universe and human life, what reason, outside of biblical or religious tradition or teaching itself, is there to believe in the Christian god over Thor or Allah?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sure it does. For example, the Christian faith which is based on the Bible (which incidentally is to the Christian material evidence) is founded on very, very, plausible criteria. The world, the laws that govern it, all of the intelligence that exists in many facets of life, and many other circmustantial evidence all point to an intelligent Designer. Therefore, it takes less faith to believe that an intelligent Designer created the universe and everything in than it does to believe that the universe came about by blind, random, chance occurence considering all of the evidence which belies that mode of thinking.

If your belief rests on material evidence or employees inductive or deductive reasoning, then it is not faith at all.