Strong Guy vs Captain America

Originally posted by golem370
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Wait a minute! Is that what you're talking about? You're talking about a pic with SG MISSING Spiderman and you're calling that suprised???? Ok fine that piece of evidence does not count.

Originally posted by golem370
I don't think anybody who has caught Spider-Man off guard can be called bricks.Because he has the spider-sense and agility and reflexes many times faster then a human faster then batman Captain America Wolverine & people like Lizard and Kraven who have enchanced speed and agility.

No he does not, the example you used was rubbish and none of his bios says he has superhuman reflexes let alone peak human.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555

Cap doesnt have spider sense. Strong guy can tag him

Maybe but from what his bio and his showings show it will be unlikely. Oh and I just found out SG didnt even hit Spiderman the example is rubbish. Cap can tag Spidey on a regular basis, SG is going down.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555

Your right, it doesnt say that strong guy has superspead or peak human, likewise you are also right it doesnt say Cap can beat bigger guys as a power.

Yeah it does actually.

Cap

He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555

So according to that statement, Strong guy should win by default.

Er no Cap will win by default.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
In Infinity Crusade, Spider-Man was beating the s*** out of Strong Guy - okay I know I'm exaggerating - but was suddenly distracted because his ally Puck was hurt. That's why he looked the other way, and at the same time, Strong Guy jumped at him.

Hardly a speed feat.

Exactly

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Back to topic, Strong Guy should win the majority. Cap won't go down easily however.

Cap beats people like SG for breakfast he is strong but too slow.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
and pressure points - assuming Strong Guy's deformed body even has them and has them in the same equivalent places as regular human anatomy, which are two big assumptions - still rely on kinetic energy which [b]Strong Guy absorbs. [/B]

Ok somebody made this point in another thread. SG's power is too absorb kinetic energy. I made the assumption that punches and kicks will not work on SG obvously because he will absorb brute force. I was under the impression that pressure points would work beccuse eventhough SG absorbs kinetic energy, there is a highier limit to what he can absorb but there is also a lower limit. For example SG may absorb kinetc energy, but im sure he still feels things. Since the application of pressure points is not brute force it could still work.

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If you look at the above scan it has a similar principle. Superheroes are trying to break through a barrier that absorbs sound. By pounding on the souind barrier you simply make it stronger, but by touching it you can break through it.

He didn't miss Spider-Man he tackled him and then he also hit Spider-Man

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok somebody made this point in another thread. SG's power is too absorb kinetic energy. I made the assumption that punches and kicks will not work on SG obvously because he will absorb brute force. I was under the impression that pressure points would work beccuse eventhough SG absorbs kinetic energy, there is a highier limit to what he can absorb but there is also a lower limit. For example SG may absorb kinetc energy, but im sure he still feels things. Since the application of pressure points is not brute force it could still work.

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/7783/smart10ww.gif

If you look at the above scan it has a similar principle. Superheroes are trying to break through a barrier that absorbs sound. By pounding on the souind barrier you simply make it stronger, but by touching it you can break through it.

Err...the sound example is kind of different, my friend.

No matter what physical attack Cap performs on Strong Guy, it WILL BE ABSORBED. That's all Cap has is Kinetic Energy. Unless Cap someday wields the power Cosmic or gains unknown telepathy...Strong Guy will take him out everytime.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Err...the sound example is kind of different, my friend.

No matter what physical attack Cap performs on Strong Guy, it WILL BE ABSORBED. That's all Cap has is Kinetic Energy. Unless Cap someday wields the power Cosmic or gains unknown telepathy...Strong Guy will take him out everytime.

No they are similar. If you create sound when punching the barrier it gets stronger, The Things touched the barrier so lightly that it made no or little sound at all.

Both the barrier and SG's kinetic absorption are similar in principle.

No they're not. 😐

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No they're not. 😐

Ok explain because they seem pretty similar to me.

From what I can surmise the sound example you posted Klaw is creating a barrier fueled by sound he generates. Noise generated only serves to strengthen the barrier. A silent force will be effective. The barrier is being strengthened by sound not force.

Strong Guy absorbs kinetic energy. Kinetic energy strengthens him. Hit him with a lot of kinetic energy or little kinetic energy it's still absorbed and strengthens him. The sound of the kinetic impact has no effect on the effectiveness of the kinetic impact. There is no analogy to be drawn.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
From what I can surmise the sound example you posted Klaw is creating a barrier fueled by sound he generates. Noise generated only serves to strengthen the barrier. A silent force will be effective. The barrier is being strengthened by sound not force.

Well I dont think it was actually silent, if you look at the scans when he touches iit makes an MMMM sound. The barrier was therefore not able to absorb enough energy to protect itself because eventhough sound was made it was not loud enough.

*bump* Anyone got any thoughts about this?

Originally posted by golem370
He didn't miss Spider-Man he tackled him and then he also hit Spider-Man

*bump* So definetaly nothing to add.....

I was right about the pressure points. Sebastian Shaw who has the same power as strong guy can be beaten in this manner.

Sebastien Shaw wiki

He can also be defeated if an opponent focuses on simply immobilizing him without striking him with significant force.

In hindsight im not sure now. I am just thinking in order to grapple some one you are still applying kinetic force. Technically Sebastien should be able to use it for strength, but just like pressure point strikes the kinetic energy is too small for him to absorb.

Still shaw is not a 50 ton at base strenght, Strong guy is and since Strong guy's body is deformed, the pressure points may not work, since the place you have to hit him are out of place.

Sorry double post.

Ow and one other thing since strong guy is a 50 tonner and he is build like a bodybuilder, for a pressure point to work on him will require force.
So even iff you use pressure points, you have to strike him harder than other people to really hurt him, but than again a strike with enough force in it will only give him energy and make him stronger.

I do thihnk that the pressure points would work on Strong Guy. true SG can absorb the kinetic energy, but i think that applies mainly to punches, kicks, large pbjects or force. Because a nerve attack is so minimal, i dont think SG could absorb it and boost his strength any more.

Prime example is Multiple Man. He makes dupes via kinetic energy, but not every type of contact makes a dupe for him. I have seen him make a dupe with as little kinetic energy such as a stomp or banging his hand on the floor, but something like a nerve strike would most likely not create a dupe.

Back to the fight: I think nerve strikes would work on Guido, but Cap would have to work kinda hard to get them off considering SG is a very good h2h combatant as well. All in all i think thats Caps only way of victory here which doesnt give him the best odds. I give Strong Guy the majority 7/10. Maybe 8.

Wouldnt it still apply pressure, it still contains potential kinetic energy which is automaticly absorb by Guido, itd be like touching him.. What i wanna know is how much quantity of kinetic energy would it need for him to automaticly absorb those energies? below that would work...

Originally posted by Roldz
Wouldnt it still apply pressure, it still contains potential kinetic energy which is automaticly absorb by Guido, itd be like touching him.. What i wanna know is how much quantity of kinetic energy would it need for him to automaticly absorb those energies? below that would work...

If that was the case Strong Guy would be absorbing the energy everytime he takes a step or someone shakes his hand or gives him a hug. I think his absorbing qualities only applies to blunt force such as punch, kicks and other high force types of contact.

Just my belief on his powers.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If that was the case Strong Guy would be absorbing the energy everytime he takes a step or someone shakes his hand or gives him a hug. I think his absorbing qualities only applies to blunt force such as punch, kicks and other high force types of contact.

Just my belief on his powers.

Wiki states:

"The word Judo is composed of two kanji: "jû", which means gentleness, and "dô", way or road (the same character as the Chinese "tao"😉. Thus Judo literally means "the gentle way", or "the way of giving way", and may also be defined as "the way of suppleness", "the way of flexibility, or "the way of adaptability". To English speakers, Judo and Jujutsu would mean "the easy way", as in the easiest way to accomplish something. Judo takes from jujutsu ("gentle art"😉 the principle of using one's opponent's strength against him and adapting well to changing circumstances. For example, if the attacker was to push against his opponent he would find his opponent stepping to the side and allowing (usually with the aid of a foot to trip him up) his momentum to throw him forwards (the inverse being true for pulling). Kano saw jujutsu as a disconnected bag of tricks, and sought to unify it according to some principle; he found it in the notion of "maximum efficiency". Jujutsu techniques which relied solely on superior strength were discarded or adapted in favour of those which involved redirecting the opponent's force, off balancing the opponent, or making use of superior leverage."

Captain America wins - unless it's a contestant where they have to tell jokes. Although that one joke Cap made where he pointed to the A on his forehead and asked "Do you think this stands for France?!" was pretty funny - the only thing is, I think he was serious.

Anyway, I love Strong Guy, he is one of my all-time favourites, but Cap takes out guys like him on a regular basis. Sure, maybe Strong Guy will get lucky and land a punch, so I'll give him 1 out of 10.

That still means Cap takes this, 9/10.