Strong Guy vs Captain America

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's threatened to slit Absorbing Man's throat. Are you saying that just because Cap never does kill, this is not a valid tactic to win a fight? This is KMC, not a Captain America comic. We assume these guys would do what was necessary to win.

If he had to and he believed it was the only way, he would. Cap's murdered before. He murdered the Red Skull in Captain America Vol 3, #17. Of course, he was able to go back in time and change his mind and "find another way."

EDIT: Oh, and just to give you a better example, Captain America cut off Baron Blood's head off with his shield. So there you go.

Woah. Relax, man. I was just asking a question. I don't ever recall Cap slitting anyone's throats with his shield before. In fact, I can totally see him taking off heads first before I see him able to slit a throat with his shield.

And really, that pic says nothing of his ability to slit his throat. It says he can hurt him with the shield, which I do believe. ESPECIALLY since the shield is NOT razor-edged, and he's holding it, not throwing it. Which means he couldn't produce the amount of power to slit his throat anyway. He's bluffing.

You really think he's bluffing? Captain America's shield has cut through metal before plenty of times. I'm pretty sure you can take Cap's words at face value there, he's not the kind of man that would boast or lie.

But its true; that position is kind of difficult if he did want to get leverage. But who's to say that Cap didn't mean to raise his shield in the air and cut his head off like he did to Ultron?

Either way, I doubt that position is the one Cap would be in if he wanted to slit Strong Guy's throat. He'd probably do it with a ricochet shield toss. He's extremely accurate with it.

I dunno. I mean, Guido's super durable as well. It's not just super strength. Who's even to say it would slit his throat?

Another thing though. Cap throws his shield, what's to stop Guido from just putting his hand up in the path to block it? I mean, really, it's not that difficult. Especially since he'll see the motion of Cap preparing to throw the shield, he should have plenty of time to shield his more vulnerable areas. And when the shield hits his hands/back/whatever, he'll absorb the kinetic energy, powering him up even more.

You really think he's bluffing? Captain America's shield has cut through metal before plenty of times. I'm pretty sure you can take Cap's words at face value there, he's not the kind of man that would boast or lie.

How would Cap defend blocks of cement flying at him at mach speed, not just one but a bunch of em?

Originally posted by Roldz
Yes Cap shield can cut through metal with use of blant force (its not as sharp as Cybers claws or logans) but when that force is nulled by SG mutant power coupled with his durability that damage would be very minimal... And Cap would have to slow down when exerting that kind of force giving SG some chances of hitting him..

How would Cap defend blocks of cement flying at him at mach speed, not just one but a bunch of em?

Not very well, I'd imagine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Another thing though. Cap throws his shield, what's to stop Guido from just putting his hand up in the path to block it? I mean, really, it's not that difficult. Especially since he'll see the motion of Cap preparing to throw the shield, he should have plenty of time to shield his more vulnerable areas. And when the shield hits his hands/back/whatever, he'll absorb the kinetic energy, powering him up even more.

C'mon man dont be silly. If it was that easy he wouldn't hit anybody. The fact is hes an expert at using his shield. Only people like Spiderman can either catch it or block it SG isn't one of them. He could probably throw it before he could react.

Originally posted by Roldz
Yes Cap shield can cut through metal with use of blant force (its not as sharp as Cybers claws or logans) but when that force is nulled by SG mutant power coupled with his durability that damage would be very minimal... And Cap would have to slow down when exerting that kind of force giving SG some chances of hitting him..

How would Cap defend blocks of cement flying at him at mach speed, not just one but a bunch of em?

Cap can dodge bullets he can dodge blocks of cement. He has dodged spidey's webbing SG doesnt even have superhuman reflexes.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Still I say pressure points shouldn't be able to work, ok we are talking comics, but still the guy is a 50 tonner, he's muscle's are way stronger than a normal humans, so to strike him with a pressure point, you need force.
Force will make him stronger.

And to try to out judo a 50 tonner who knows streetfight doesn't really sound like a good idea, get to close the guy could crush you with a bearhug in 1 sec, and use his strenght nope you use his movement so iff he hits with his full body behind it or try to hit and stand his ground without going with the punch, it will be a lot harder to throw the guy, thrust me I know I done judo from wenn I was 6 year old till 18 year old.

So caps best way to defeat strong guy is to stay away, maybe wear him out, and try to defeat him with his speed, not stand toe to toe with they guy.

Ok fair enough but there is one way we can figure out if Cap should be able to do this. We need to get some scans of Sebastien Shaw, if he was at superhuman strength when being restrained that means Cap could probably pressur point him.

Do you undertsand my logic? If you restrain somebody kinetic force is still being applied but obvoulsy it was not enough for Sebastien to absorb.

Originally posted by Alfheim
C'mon man dont be silly. If it was that easy he wouldn't hit anybody. The fact is hes an expert at using his shield. Only people like Spiderman can either catch it or block it SG isn't one of them. He could probably throw it before he could react.

Cap can dodge bullets he can dodge blocks of cement. He has dodged spidey's webbing SG doesnt even have superhuman reflexes.

Ok fair enough but there is one way we can figure out if Cap should be able to do this. We need to get some scans of Sebastien Shaw, if he was at superhuman strength when being restrained that means Cap could probably pressur point him.

Do you undertsand my logic? If you restrain somebody kinetic force is still being applied but obvoulsy it was not enough for Sebastien to absorb.

Uh...it's always enough to be absorb. Almost any attack will give off kinetic energy. Guido absorbs that. 😬

And come on. Guido won't see this motion: http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/0909_joe-jusko-captain-america-small.JPG and not think Cap will throw the shield at him? Cap's fast, but he can't make that motion and throw the shield hard/fast enough before Guido reacting.

Originally posted by Alfheim
C'mon man dont be silly. If it was that easy he wouldn't hit anybody. The fact is hes an expert at using his shield. Only people like Spiderman can either catch it or block it SG isn't one of them. He could probably throw it before he could react.

Cap can dodge bullets he can dodge blocks of cement. He has dodged spidey's webbing SG doesnt even have superhuman reflexes.

Ok fair enough but there is one way we can figure out if Cap should be able to do this. We need to get some scans of Sebastien Shaw, if he was at superhuman strength when being restrained that means Cap could probably pressur point him.

Do you undertsand my logic? If you restrain somebody kinetic force is still being applied but obvoulsy it was not enough for Sebastien to absorb.

Still Sebastian is not Strong guy, Shaw starts off as a normal human, he doesn't start with 50 ton, and look at there body's these are two diffrent people we are talking about.
There powers also doesn't seem to work the same way. shaw can keep building he energy, untill he overloads or something.
while strong guy needs to release it within 90 seconds or he will mutate's even more.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Still Sebastian is not Strong guy, Shaw starts off as a normal human, he doesn't start with 50 ton, and look at there body's these are two diffrent people we are talking about.
There powers also doesn't seem to work the same way. shaw can keep building he energy, untill he overloads or something.
while strong guy needs to release it within 90 seconds or he will mutate's even more.

Besides, Sebastian Shaw could be picked up and thrown about and that requires force to be applied for the grip. Therefore, pressure points would work on Strong Guy. Simple fight even without Cap turning Strong Guy's powers against him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Interesting. So what happens when he does? Is it a big blast? Is he weakened when he does? What happens when he doesn't? Does he overload himself and turn into a big mass of mutated crap? Sounds like somethign Cap would be able to turn into his advantage.

Besides, Sebastian Shaw could be picked up and thrown about and that requires force to be applied for the grip. Therefore, pressure points would work on Strong Guy. Simple fight even without Cap turning Strong Guy's powers against him.

Euh it made him stonger but yet deformed, he knocked out a friend of his wenn his powers fist showed up.

and cap doesn't have the power to let strong guy overload.

And picking someone up or use pressure points on him is a totally diffrent thing.

Because wenn you use pressure points you still hit someone and you don't throw him.

And what works for shaw might not work for strong guy.

Originally posted by Brutacus

And what works for shaw might not work for strong guy.

Yeah but they have the same power. Yeah we dont know for sure, but since their powers are very similar they will probably work the same way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but they have the same power. Yeah we dont know for sure, but since their powers are very similar they will probably work the same way.

Even iff there power where the same, there body's aren't, shaw has a normal body.
Strong guy has the body of a 50 tonner.

C'mon man dont be silly. If it was that easy he wouldn't hit anybody. The fact is hes an expert at using his shield. Only people like Spiderman can either catch it or block it SG isn't one of them. He could probably throw it before he could react.

Cap can dodge bullets he can dodge blocks of cement. He has dodged spidey's webbing SG doesnt even have superhuman reflexes.

Interesting. So what happens when he does? Is it a big blast? Is he weakened when he does? What happens when he doesn't? Does he overload himself and turn into a big mass of mutated crap? Sounds like somethign Cap would be able to turn into his advantage.

How is Cap even going to prevent SG from releasing those energies.. The only time SG was unable to release those energies was when the first time his powers manifested and it resulted in how he looks at present...

Yeah but they have the same power. Yeah we dont know for sure, but since their powers are very similar they will probably work the same way.

Those 2 might have desame mutant abilities to absorb kinetic energy, inhancing their durability/strength but it stops there.. The application of both there mutant powers are diff.. Shaw's muscles does not suffer from side effect of absorbing those energies, can release it at will/ SG auto absorb those energies as long as it is above normal application of force and must constantly release it/suffers from muscle abnormality and is painfull...

Red Lotus used pressure points on Sebastien Shaw in Xtreme X-men. So my theory was correct pressure point can work on kinetic absorbers because pressure points don't provide enough energy for them to absorb.