Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
14. What's this about people "shrinking" if they travel to New Genesis and/or Apokolips via another way than a Boom Tube?
Mario - New Gods are about 300 feet tall, on an absolute reference scale. When they Boom Tube to another plane, the Mother Box/Mega-Rod reconfigures their body to an appropriate size. Similarily, when a Terran BT's to New Genesis, they are reconfigured as well.
But if you use a *different* form of teleportation, that reconfiguration doesn't take place. So humans end up ants. This was most recently seen in a Supergirl arc, where she teleported magically to Apokolips, and was miniaturized until she was exposed to a Mother Box by Himon.
One out for the whole "why not teleport to Earth as giants?" idea is that the transformation is required in order to be able to *move*...gravity and the square-cube law could come into play...
"Of course. Your Earth, Superman, is nothing more than a *speck* in an *air pocket*." "Orion--look at us. We're the same size. If Earth was a speck, I would be a microbe here. And you've been on Earth. You're not a giant there." "The boom tube, Superman. It adjusts your size as you travel through it."
- A slightly bombastic Orion and Superman discuss interdimensional travel. New Gods #10, (third or fourth series, depending on how you count them); Rachel Pollack/Stefano Raffaelle/Brian Garvey
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey, I said I would accept proof, as long as it wasn't just about their SIZE. If you can come up with on panel narration saying that Darkseid has more power at his disposal in his true form. I'll accept that.See, the thing that I find funny, is how you SO OFTEN "forget things". And always when it suits your argument(hmmm, I wonder why). For instance, You continuously say that Darkseid has NEVER been beaten. I point out TWO instances where he has, and you just act like "Well I didn't mean THOSE times". You say that that Galactus has NEVER been depicted on panel, so I bring up an instance where he has, and what do you know, you know all about that too. Is it any wonder why your not given any credibility around here.
Your example was a poor one, seeing as it wasnt Galactus, but Doom with Galactus power, with the power of Galactus worldships absorbed.
Did he have any feats during his short run with power? No he was effortlessly crushed by the beyonder.
you take marvel narration as proof, but dismiss DC narration as proof? Do i care if you or priest or bigbran do not take me seriously?
When in fact ive proven several of you wrong on many occasions, most recently would being all those who claimed Dom wasn't a multiversal power that was outside of existence, then Avalon provided the scans and thus they were proven wrong who argued against me
or the time those who argued T-vo was illusionary, and I explained it wasn't I even explained what it was, they thought I was wrong, then Avalon came and provided the scans proving all of them wrong again.
I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of me, when in fact you or others are proven wrong when the scans come along.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThat I can accept.
NP, I knew I had read it in one of the New Gods comics Somewhere. Earth is a microbe to Any NEW GOD while they are on thier planet.
But I still don't see how this means they are so powerful.
If we go by "the bigger, the better" than that means, that all of the abstracts, would have whooped the IG weilder.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but that just talks about SIZE. That's not proof that they're more powerful.
Thats not the only one, their are more showings, Im waiting for Nvr.
By the way if earth is but a speck of dust to them, what does that tell you about their power if they can just smudge it out?
Yeah uh huh.
Originally posted by bigbran
That I can accept.But I still don't see how this means they are so powerful.
If we go by "the bigger, the better" than that means, that all of the abstracts, would have whooped the IG weilder.
Earth and galaxies are specks of dust to them, the abstracts of marvel are no where near the size of the newgods as shown when they are so commonly depicted, such as beings being able to see them.
Non newgods cannot even see them in their true form, as galaxies are like specks of dust to them, does that make any sense to you? They can just smudge that dust speck.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Your example was a poor one, seeing as it wasnt Galactus, but Doom with Galactus power, with the power of Galactus worldships absorbed.Did he have any feats during his short run with power? No he was effortlessly crushed by the beyonder.
you take marvel narration as proof, but dismiss DC narration as proof? Do i care if you or priest or bigbran do not take me seriously?
When in fact ive proven several of you wrong on many occasions, most recently would being all those who claimed Dom wasn't a multiversal power that was outside of existence, then Avalon provided the scans and thus they were proven wrong who argued against me
or the time those who argued T-vo was illusionary, and I explained it wasn't I even explained what it was, they thought I was wrong, then Avalon came and provided the scans proving all of them wrong again.
I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of me, when in fact you or others are proven wrong when the scans come along.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlEternity is a F***ing universe buddy!! He's an abstract, all knowing.
What's funny is you laugh but no one takes High Father's word when he and Odin where scared of DS and talked about DS great rise in power. Seems just a little bit shady and hippocritical. just a tad.
Eternity observes....everything!!
Can you tell me anything that would point to Highfather as being as knowing as Eternity?
This is also funny, because I can accept, that Ion can remake and unmake the multiverse. Spectre stated it.
Originally posted by Jesse7And yet, I still argued.
When in fact ive proven several of you wrong on many occasions, most recently would being all those who claimed Dom wasn't a multiversal power that was outside of existence, then Avalon provided the scans and thus they were proven wrong who argued against me
I find it very hard to believe that Superman can beat a Multiversal power, with all of his current powers combined.
Do you?
No of course not. Same with Iceman beating Oblivion.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He was still shown on panel. A fact that YOU conveniantly forgot until I pointd it out. Like Darkseid's loses.
The newgods in their true form were shown on panel too, maybe you have ignored that this whole time.
Secondly I've known of DS losses, I dont count the spectre one as a loss but as a stalemate as it was stated on panel that neither had the means to harm the other, the source interfered and striped Spectre of being able to harm DS.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Well for one, their very presence destroys creation, thats what they will do to those pesky germs.
Originally posted by bigbran
And yet, I still argued.I find it very hard to believe that Superman can beat a Multiversal power, with all of his current powers combined.
Do you?No of course not. Same with Iceman beating Oblivion.
I admitted on several threads the iceman knocking oblivion down was PIS, I also admitted in the iceman mags vs thor ss thread that I was joking and using it as a feat since the match was very imbalanced.
Nice try though.
Secondly you underestimate Supes, T-vo has shown to be able to take down multiversal powers/beings/abstracts as Dom was outside of existence and is multiversal and beyond stated by KISMET.
Supes is powerful, he is the DC symbol, its not my fault you have a problem with it.
Comic statments and on panel showings>your opinion.
Originally posted by Jesse7
The newgods in their true form were shown on panel too, maybe you have ignored that this whole time.Secondly I've known of DS losses, I dont count the spectre one as a loss but as a stalemate as it was stated on panel that neither had the means to harm the other, the source interfered and striped Spectre of being able to harm DS.