Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

Originally posted by FeceMan
A skilled crucifier puts the nails through the wrists in such a way that it doesn't pierce the major veins but completely destroys the nerves (not resulting in a lack of sensation but a continuous, painful sensation).

its being debated now whether nails were put through the hands after all. something about the feet support adding leverage and putting most of the weight on the feet and back. forgot where i read/saw this.

but perhaps that would make a nice topic for another thread

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
'The people responsible are being dealt with'? Really? Last time I checked, George and Donald were still in office. They are the ones who are ultimately responsible due to the culture of torture that they practice and preach. As demonstrated by this latest congressional approval of using torture.

*covers ears*

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
'The people responsible are being dealt with'? Really? Last time I checked, George and Donald were still in office. They are the ones who are ultimately responsible due to the culture of torture that they practice and preach. As demonstrated by this latest congressional approval of using torture.

"culture of torture that they practice and preach" Which wackjob extremist liberal website did you glean that jewel off of?

Originally posted by KidRock
I love being safe mr "lets wait until a million more people are killed in a terrorist act, and then maybe start using more aggressive force when interrogating terrorists" liberal

is that like saying Saddam has weapons of mass destruction? Or should we pretend he shipped them off to his ememies in Iran before we just abandon the notion that he had them at all?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
is that like saying Saddam has weapons of mass destruction? Or should we pretend he shipped them off to his ememies in Iran before we just abandon the notion that he had them at all?

oh good, this is the part where kidrock brings up the depleted canisters from 20+ years ago, supplied by reagan and rumsfeld and at this point useless. "DER WE FOUND DA WEAPONS!!!". then everyone explains why he's factually wrong and he ignores it to bring it up again in another thread, and life goes on.

Originally posted by PVS
oh good, this is the part where kidrock brings up the depleted canisters from 20+ years ago, supplied by reagan and rumsfeld and at this point useless. "DER WE FOUND DA WEAPONS!!!". then everyone explains why he's factually wrong and he ignores it to bring it up again in another thread, and life goes on.

It would be if he would ever admit that the cardboard cut out of jesus dressed like reagan wasn't neck deep in the shit storm that is the modern middle east. actually, if he would admit that he doesn't know shit about the reagan administration, other than his funeral.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

For all in this thread who seem to have a problem with being tough to those who have no problem beheading people on T.V. and showing us the footage to watch them scream as their throats are sliced.....

Stand aside whilst the men do what needs to be done, ya pussies.

I think at this point, we need to do what the serbs did and form an OTPOR movement in America. We get so many people riled up that several million people go on a general strike and glut Washington DC so bad that Bush steps down like Milosevic.

Originally posted by Robtard
"culture of torture that they practice and preach" Which wackjob extremist liberal website did you glean that jewel off of?

All my own. Glad you liked it.

Ur sayin' that U Americans are LESS bad than terrorists.
BUT now ur army and Fbi and shit are allowed to do the same things as the terrorists,prior to this event they could legally only do what they did.

Now they can do whatever the **** they want. And they will.

Define 'TORTURE' Define 'TERROR SUSPECT'

This law gives the power to the army or whatever to arrest anyone they ****ing want, torture anyone they want, put them in a 'prison' for the rest of their life without a trial. there doesn't even have to be any proof, as they could say there is proof but it's all classified so we can't give u the proof.

I AM DISGUSTED!

Originally posted by Lumanix
You're a ****ing idiot.

And you're 16.

Shutup.

I have a baby sister older than you, kid.

When you can vote, and take into serious consideration the impact of radical religious murderers who have publicly stated that they want to destroy any American that won't convert to Islam (and seemed to have proved their dedication to the "destroy" part thus far)......

then you can spout your opinion that you got from John Stewart and Gideon Yago like it means something.

Maybe Comedy Central and MTV have convinced you that cutting the head off of a young American with a serrated saw blade deserves the same old treatment and tactics, but there are others in the country, in your city and state, hell in this very thread, who see it a little different.

They call us....

adults.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And you're 16.

Shutup.

I have a baby sister older than you, kid.

When you can vote, and take into serious consideration the impact of radical religious murderers who have publicly stated that they want to destroy any American that won't convert to Islam (and seemed to have proved their dedication to the "destroy" part thus far)......

then you can spout your opinion that you got from John Stewart and Gideon Yago like it means something.

Maybe Comedy Central and MTV have convinced you that cutting the head off of a young American with a serrated saw blade deserves the same old treatment and tactics, but there are others in the country, in your city and state, hell in this very thread, who see it a little different.

They call us....

adults.

thats a whole lot of typing for absolutely nothing said besides "LOLZ JOO NOT OLD" and your typical mindless strawman bashing. what motivates you to devote so much time to making a public ass out of yourself? just curious

I am motivated primarily by three things:

1.) Misguided liberals like you, who would put other country's feelings over our own security, who think terrorists deserve fair treatment, and pretend that this problem will somehow go away on its own.

2.) Media influenced young folks like Lumanix, who believe the Dixie Chicks and Eminem when they tell them their own government is evil, but can't see the very real threats we are up against, even when they strike and kill us on our homeland.

3.) Most importantly, my personal convictions and religious beliefs. When I think of both of my grandfathers, who served in WWII, and then I see the god-less, secular, anti-anything with moral values culture that we live in that would rather defend a right to porn, gay marriage, and the killing of babies, than the defending of our people and the country that we live in......

I guess that's why I devote so much of time to making "an ass out of myself".

Cuz I'm way off base here.....

that help?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I am motivated primarily by three things:

1.) Misguided liberals like you, who would put other country's feelings over our own security, who think terrorists deserve fair treatment, and pretend that this problem will somehow go away on its own.

2.) Media influenced young folks like Lumanix, who believe the Dixie Chicks and Eminem when they tell them their own government is evil, but can't see the very real threats we are up against, even when they strike and kill us on our homeland.

3.) Most importantly, my personal convictions and religious beliefs. When I think of both of my grandfathers, who served in WWII, and then I see the god-less, secular, anti-anything with moral values culture that we live in that would rather defend a right to porn, gay marriage, and the killing of babies, than the defending of our people and the country that we live in......

I guess that's why I devote so much of time to making "an ass out of myself".

Cuz I'm way off base here.....

that help?

Even though that sounded just a bit self righteous for my taste, you make several good points.

Originally posted by Robtard
Even though that sounded just a bit self righteous for my taste, you make several good points.

It was, but thanks.

Me and PVS have that sort of a debating nature.

He calls me a blithering idiot, and I take the moral high ground. 😛

its all straw man. thats EVERYTHING in his posts

you're being deliberately bias in ignoring that. i see that alot on the left as well, yet i certainly dont cheer them on.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I am motivated primarily by three things:

1.) Misguided liberals like you, who would put other country's feelings over our own security, who think terrorists deserve fair treatment, and pretend that this problem will somehow go away on its own.

2.) Media influenced young folks like Lumanix, who believe the Dixie Chicks and Eminem when they tell them their own government is evil, but can't see the very real threats we are up against, even when they strike and kill us on our homeland.

3.) Most importantly, my personal convictions and religious beliefs. When I think of both of my grandfathers, who served in WWII, and then I see the god-less, secular, anti-anything with moral values culture that we live in that would rather defend a right to porn, gay marriage, and the killing of babies, than the defending of our people and the country that we live in......

I guess that's why I devote so much of time to making "an ass out of myself".

Cuz I'm way off base here.....

that help?

1. And who says they are all terrorists? Doesn't your own constitution say that people are innocent until proven guilty, or at least your laws do.

If you break the law to defend your country are you really worthy of it? Isn't this destroying everytihng the US is supposed to stand for? Freedom and equality? Throwing innocent people in jail and lowering yourself to their level might get you safety but it won't give you a country worth living in.

2. On your homeland? Like you did against theirs? What makes you better then them in this case? Iraq has felt far more pain by the US then the US from the Iraqi's. Does that justify their actions when they kill American soldiers there? And civilians from western country's or lock them up and torture them? If not then what gives you the right to do so?

3. Yes because i'm sure your grandfather fought in a war so his country could oppress people and make the world far less safe then it has been in a long time? Did he fight for that? And those rights you talk about they are the very essence of a country, their ability to make their own people feel happy and contempt is what a government should be measured by. Not their ability to attack other country's piss of the world and break every international law ever created...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
1.) Misguided liberals like you, who would put other country's feelings over our own security

Despite being a Democrat myself, I see of flaws of the members of my party, like the one you mentioned above.

You can't worry about frivolous shit that can undermine/compromise your safety.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
3.) Most importantly, my personal convictions and religious beliefs. When I think of both of my grandfathers, who served in WWII, and then I see the god-less, secular, anti-anything with moral values culture that we live in that would rather defend a right to porn, gay marriage, and the killing of babies, than the defending of our people and the country that we live in......

Likewise; my paternal grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific and my maternal grandfather was a tank-mechanic in Europe. I also wonder if they're rolling over in their graves at some of the things that exist in today's society.

Originally posted by PVS
its all straw man. thats EVERYTHING in his posts

you're being deliberately bias in ignoring that. i see that alot on the left as well, yet i certainly dont cheer them on.

Enough with this "straw man" crap.

I don't have any need to simplify and defeat your arguments, or misrepresent them, since they are all defeatist, secularist, liberal nonsense.

Quite simply, you believe that there should be no change in interrogation procedures to terror suspects, that they should be treated as any other criminal suspect in our justice system.

You believe such measures are unnecessary, and even if they produce good intel. that leads to the prevention of murder, that we have lowered ourselves to the terrorists level by being brutal with them, if necessary.

That's a fair position, I just don't agree with it.

I think that because of the heinous nature of their crimes, and because the plots are on our citizens, as a mass group, against our entire nation really, that it warrants a different response than a personal attack (or planned attack ) between two individuals. (or groups of individuals)

The methods of interrogation, capture, imprisonment, and execution that they demonstrate are far worse than any proposed changes that will come about with the passing of this measure.

Even if we beat the shit out of them, we aren't cutting their heads off with a serrated saw blade, slowly enough to hear them scream in agony before their vocal cords are sliced, and then videotaping and broadcasting it so that their family and the whole f*cking world can see that they don't give a f*ck about human life.

I would say that congress agrees with my point of view on the subject, since they have passed this measure.

Deal with it, and have a nice day.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Despite being a Democrat myself, I see of flaws of the members of my party, like the one you mentioned above.

You can't worry about frivolous shit that can undermine/compromise your safety.

Likewise; my paternal grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific and my maternal grandfather was a tank-mechanic in Europe. I also wonder if they're rolling over in their graves at some of the things that exist in today's society.

Orale guey, mota!

I've always respected your input, not just because of having a similar upbringing (though that's certainly part of it) but because you look at all issues with a common-sense approach, and call the bullshitters out for their bull shit.

I've said in other threads that Bush has made plenty of mistakes, and I blame him just as much (if not more) and his administration for not preventing 9/11, and for any screw-ups that they have made since.

I still believe that they have the right mind-set when it comes to Islamic radical terrorists, though.

As for our grandfather's, I can only hope that me and my kids can make a positive change to honor their sacrifices and their service.

You may indeed be right about them rolling their graves.

Orale pues, mi compa!