Originally posted by sithsaber408
Enough with this "straw man" crap.
yes, thats what im trying to get in to that impenetrable skull of yours but you just dont get it. you're entire argument is against a self destructive bumbling caricature which you created, and thus you look like an ass. at this point you may as well create a sock account ala whob, because i cant see you as being any better. there is no point in debating with you as you dont even have the common respect to hear the point of view of your opponent. that makes you a useless parrot, squawking the same nonsense over and over, which amounts to nothing more than baseless accusations. you are a fool and a waste of energy to converse with. that is why you fail
Originally posted by FeceMan
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OK, brief reminder
Palpatine - caused the war
Bush - didn't start it, want's to finish it
Palpatine - evil
Bush - not evil
Palpatine - Wanted to destroy the republic
Bush - Want's to protect the republic
NO, there are no similarities between bush and epIII palpy.
-edit-
as a side note, I don't remember reading anything in the articles or bill about "unconditional power" or "making Bush god". In fact the Bill lists things that are prohibited no matter what Bush wants. The bill only leaves enough room to do what needs to be done, ie. interrogate the bastards that are captured on the field.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
defeatist, secularist, liberal
are you actually closed-minded enough to think that all three of those things go hand-in-hand?
First of all, PVS is right in accusing you of using strawman tactics, because you are. You assume that because your solution isn't blindly agreed upon by everyone that their ultimate goals are not the same as you'd like to acheive. Because you accuse them of saying they support the terrorists, does that make it true? That goal is the safty of every US citizen.
Second, you'd like to condemn everyone who doesn't think the way you do. That's just petty and child-like. So Achmed doesn't think baby jesus is the savior of all man-kind? How insecure of you to condemn him for thinking so. As I have always said, "you people" need to grow up and stop taking your tempertantrums to the voting booth and world scene with you, your religious beliefs have no place in politics. Stop acting like babies just because someone doesn't think the same way you do. Remember, this is our world too, whether you like it or not. And I'm not saying the muslim fanatics don't. But I'm saying you do it too and that makes you no better than them in the long run. Prefacing every statement you make with "Well, I'm a christian." is no better than saying the same but replacing "christian" with "muslim". You're all ****ing nuts, you're all ****ing brainwashed and you're all fanatical. Thankfully, the difference is that in this country you aren't flying planes into buildings. But you would be if there weren't people who disagreed with you. And that's what makes the US "right". It isn't Jesus v. Mohammad. It's right v. wrong. and every time you take the name of Jesus in an argument to illustrate how right you are, you are only illustrating how wrong you are. I don't condemn you for believeing in your religion, I condemn you for thinking that makes you right.
Speaking to people like you, we aren't the ones who send our children to camps where they have to pray to cardboard cut-outs of George W Bush. It's ****ing pathetic. If you want to believe in an organized religion that's no different from any religion founded by the ancient Egyptians or Greeks, go ahead. But keep you god off my dick! And I'll keep my dick off your god.
Originally posted by docb77
OK, brief reminderPalpatine - caused the war
Bush - didn't start it, want's to finish it
Palpatine - evil
Bush - not evil
Palpatine - Wanted to destroy the republic
Bush - Want's to protect the republic
NO, there are no similarities between bush and epIII palpy.
-edit-
as a side note, I don't remember reading anything in the articles or bill about "unconditional power" or "making Bush god". In fact the Bill lists things that are prohibited no matter what Bush wants. The bill only leaves enough room to do what needs to be done, ie. interrogate the bastards that are captured on the field.
Originally posted by sithsaber4081. He's right.
And you're 16.Shutup.
I have a baby sister older than you, kid.
When you can vote, and take into serious consideration the impact of radical religious murderers who have publicly stated that they want to destroy any American that won't convert to Islam (and seemed to have proved their dedication to the "destroy" part thus far)......
then you can spout your opinion that you got from John Stewart and Gideon Yago like it means something.
Maybe Comedy Central and MTV have convinced you that cutting the head off of a young American with a serrated saw blade deserves the same old treatment and tactics, but there are others in the country, in your city and state, hell in this very thread, who see it a little different.
They call us....
adults.
Originally posted by sithsaber408Your assumption that either everyone on the boards is American or presumption that only Americans can have views on globally relevant politics only serves to prove your status as a sanctimonious git.
I am motivated primarily by three things:1.) Misguided liberals like you, who would put other country's feelings over our own security, who think terrorists deserve fair treatment, and pretend that this problem will somehow go away on its own.
2.) Media influenced young folks like Lumanix, who believe the Dixie Chicks and Eminem when they tell them their own government is evil, but can't see the very real threats we are up against, even when they strike and kill us on our homeland.
3.) Most importantly, my personal convictions and religious beliefs. When I think of both of my grandfathers, who served in WWII, and then I see the god-less, secular, anti-anything with moral values culture that we live in that would rather defend a right to porn, gay marriage, and the killing of babies, than the defending of our people and the country that we live in......
I guess that's why I devote so much of time to making "an ass out of myself".
Cuz I'm way off base here.....
that help?
Originally posted by Kinneary
Actually, I'm pretty sure the comparison relates to the fact that everyone THOUGHT Palpatine didn't start the war, that he wasn't evil, and that he just wanted to protect the republic when in actuality he didn't. Which is the same thing they're saying about Bush.
It's still quite a stretch. If Bush starts campaigning for a 3rd term I'll start worrying, until then... ❌
Now that you've all gotten the anti-christian bashing out of your system, do you feel better... hmm?
Seeing as how in my whole argument I mentioned "personal convictions and religious beliefs" ONE time, and kept the topic on terrorism, interrogation, and differing views of how to handle those two issues......
Its funny that I get crap for being a "bible thumper" or mentioning Christ before all my statements, as cap would like say I do.
The truth is that I didn't.
I made my opinions known about approaching terroism or terrorist suspects, and what I would be ok with as far as interrogation, and thats it.
Guess y'all needed to vent on somebody, seeing as how the congress agreed with my point of view.
Cheers. 🙂
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I made my opinions known about approaching terroism or terrorist suspects, and what I would be ok with as far as interrogation, and thats it.
Yes and your opinion is bullshit , when your done hugging good 'ol Uncle Sam and put away your GI Joes then perhaps we'll have an actual conversation that doesn't involve you thumping a bible , calling people 'commies' and trying to make your country sink to an even LOWER level.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And you're 16.Shutup.
I have a baby sister older than you, kid.
When you can vote, and take into serious consideration the impact of radical religious murderers who have publicly stated that they want to destroy any American that won't convert to Islam (and seemed to have proved their dedication to the "destroy" part thus far)......
then you can spout your opinion that you got from John Stewart and Gideon Yago like it means something.
Maybe Comedy Central and MTV have convinced you that cutting the head off of a young American with a serrated saw blade deserves the same old treatment and tactics, but there are others in the country, in your city and state, hell in this very thread, who see it a little different.
They call us....
adults.
el oh el. You're wit has left me without anything to say.
Other than you're still a ****ing idiot.
EDIT: I'm 16 in 25 days.
Originally posted by grey fox
Yes and your opinion is bullshit , when your done hugging good 'ol Uncle Sam and put away your GI Joes then perhaps we'll have an actual conversation that doesn't involve you thumping a bible , calling people 'commies' and trying to make your country sink to an even LOWER level.
Originally posted by Lumanix
el oh el. You're wit has left me without anything to say.Other than you're still a ****ing idiot.
EDIT: I'm 16 in 25 days.
Well there it is folks...
I should trade in Uncle Sam and my G.I. joes for a burnt flag and a copy of the constitution to use for toilet paper.
What an idiot I must be to be proud of my country.
I've just been owned by a Brit and a kid, powerfully so I might add.
*wakes up*
Thank heavens, back to the real world.
Radical Islam has declared that all infidels must convert or die, and has killed several thousand people in attempts for such things to happen.
We are fighting them.
A majority of congress, both democrats and republicans, have voted that the President can loosen restrictions for interrogations of terror suspects.
(you two taking notes?)
None of what you're saying changes the fact that it's very stupid to go around waging a war on terrorists who torture people, then kill many and allow torture yourself.
Freedom through fear and violence isn't freedom at all.
I've said it before, if you're so pro-war and gung ho, then go fight it. Everyone who loves Bush and loves his ideas, go fight his war, there's enough of you. Maybe then it will reduce the chances of innocent people getting drafted and moreover, there would be no innocent American casualties.
-AC
Originally posted by Lana
I personally find it incredibly disgusting that someone who condones torture can claim to have a moral high ground.
I've never actually seen anyone claim to have taken the moral "low ground". When a person acts they always think that they are doing the best they can with the circumstances they've been given.
I suppose it all hinges on what you mean by moral. For me it's acting consistently toward the greater good. And while I agree that bamboo splinters under fingernails, the rack, electrocution, and the like are evil; I see nothing wrong with making an interogatee uncomfortable with such things as sleep deprivation, cold(just no frostbite or extreme hypothermia), heat (again no burns or heatstroke), or annoying sounds/loud music.
I think the moral high ground can be taken in that doing such things is likely to save more people than not doing them.
Originally posted by docb77
I've never actually seen anyone claim to have taken the moral "low ground". When a person acts they always think that they are doing the best they can with the circumstances they've been given.I suppose it all hinges on what you mean by moral. For me it's acting consistently toward the greater good. And while I agree that bamboo splinters under fingernails, the rack, electrocution, and the like are evil; I see nothing wrong with making an interogatee uncomfortable with such things as sleep deprivation, cold(just no frostbite or extreme hypothermia), heat (again no burns or heatstroke), or annoying sounds/loud music.
I think the moral high ground can be taken in that doing such things is likely to save more people than not doing them.
the whole point is that bush is free to decide what is not torture. he can secretly decide that beating a mans wife and kid is not torture, and nobody will ever know. he was given absolute power and all you can argue is basically "just trust him", as every american founding father spins in their grave at 4500 r.p.m.