Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

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Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

its official. bush can set the standards of torture, he can detain/torture anyone, and any american....forever if he wishes.

the "bias liberal" AP shrugs off any possibility of abuse of power, like the good little whores that they are:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate on Thursday endorsed President Bush's plans to prosecute and interrogate terror suspects, all but sealing congressional approval for legislation that Republicans intend to use on the campaign trail to assert their toughness on terrorism.

The 65-34 vote means the bill could reach the president's desk by week's end. The House passed nearly identical legislation on Wednesday and was expected to approve the Senate bill Friday, sending it to the White House.

The bill would create military commissions to prosecute terrorism suspects. It also would prohibit blatant abuses of detainees but grant the president flexibility to decide what interrogation techniques are legally permissible.

The White House and its supporters have called the measure crucial in the anti-terror fight, However, some Democrats said it left the door open to abuse, violating the U.S. Constitution in the name of protecting Americans.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, who helped draft the legislation during negotiations with the White House, said the measure would set up a system for treating detainees that the nation could be proud of. He said the goal "is to render justice to the terrorists, even though they will not render justice to us." (Watch Republicans accuse Democrats of coddling terrorists -- 2:13 )

Democrats said the Republicans' rush to muscle the measure through Congress was aimed at giving them something to tout during the campaign, in which control of the House and Senate are at stake. Election Day is November 7. (Watch how bad news on foreign policy could hurt Republicans in November -- 1:48 )

"There is no question that the rush to pass this bill -- which is the product of secret negotiations with the White House -- is about serving a political agenda," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts.

Senate approval was the latest step in the remarkable journey that Bush has taken in shaping how the United States treats the terrorism suspects it has been holding, some for almost five years.

The Supreme Court nullified Bush's initial system for trying detainees in June, and earlier this month a handful of maverick GOP senators defied the president by forcing him to slightly tone down his next proposal. But they struck a deal last week, and the president and congressional Republicans are now claiming the episode as a victory.

While Democrats warned the bill could open the way for abuse, Republicans said defeating the bill would put the country at risk of another terrorist attack.

"We are not conducting a law enforcement operation against a check-writing scam or trying to foil a bank heist," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky. "We are at war against extremists who want to kill our citizens."

Approving the bill before lawmakers leave for the elections has been a priority for Republicans. GOP leaders fought off attempts by Democrats and a lone Republican to change the bill, ensuring swift passage.

its over. we have officially lost the moral high ground. we will be torturing people with the same methods of which japanese interrigators were charged as criminals after WW2. and this is what will be on record not only that, but as the case with the iraq war, our utterly useless congress and house approves an unconditional bill based on "trust me, ill do the right thing".

the brutality which will be committed from this point will be what smears our image for generations to come, and i hope that as was the case in germany after their defeat, every fukwit who blindly trusted this man will be marched into the prison camps to witness the attrocities they blindly supported

Re: Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

Originally posted by PVS

its over. we have officially lost the moral high ground. we will be torturing people with the same methods of which japanese interrigators were charged as criminals after WW2. and this is what will be on record not only that, but as the case with the iraq war, our utterly useless congress and house approves an unconditional bill based on "trust me, ill do the right thing".

Lost the moral high ground? Have you noticed how the enemy treats their prisoners? I think we're pretty safe about having the moral high ground.

Same methods the Japanese were charged with? Last time I checked they were accused of stuff quite a bit worse than cold rooms and bad music.

Definitions of torture

When we do it - Sleep deprivation, mild hypothermia

When they do it - beatings, kanings, fire ants, near drownings, witnessing companions executions.

Yeah, those are totally the same. 😘

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Originally posted by docb77
Lost the moral high ground? Have you noticed how the enemy treats their prisoners? I think we're pretty safe about having the moral high ground.

Same methods the Japanese were charged with? Last time I checked they were accused of stuff quite a bit worse than cold rooms and bad music.

Definitions of torture

When we do it - Sleep deprivation, mild hypothermia

When they do it - beatings, kanings, fire ants, near drownings, witnessing companions executions.

Yeah, those are totally the same. 😘

Reality check, those are things we do now to make sure we aren't excessive because there are penalties to those who violate laws.

Now we have lost a system of checks and balances, more importantly this allows for much worse and for it to be "ok."

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I heard some Republican - it may even have been Bush himself - on CNN saying "anyone who doesn't agree with this measure wants terrorists to kill Americans"...hahahahahahaha...Oh, wait; it's not funny.

Originally posted by docb77
Lost the moral high ground? Have you noticed how the enemy treats their prisoners? I think we're pretty safe about having the moral high ground.

Based on this quote, I don't think you even know what the term 'moral high ground' means.

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Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo

Based on this quote, I don't think you even know what the term 'moral high ground' means.

hmm... just offhand, I'd say it means holding ourselves to a higher "moral" standard than the other guy. It means our position is more inherently right.

Personally I'd think we'd lose the moral high ground if we didn't do everything in our power to eliminate those who want to kill americans.

Just as an offhand comment, how do liberals justify making any comments about the moral high ground when they at the same time are big about moral equivalency and that other systems are just as good as ours?

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Originally posted by docb77
hmm... just offhand, I'd say it means holding ourselves to a higher "moral" standard than the other guy. It means our position is more inherently right.

Personally I'd think we'd lose the moral high ground if we didn't do everything in our power to eliminate those who want to kill americans.

I see that your comprehension of 'moral high ground' strangely parallels your government's belief that their way is the right way because it serves Americans, while showing utter disdain for the how the rest of the world believes other human beings should be treated. That's nice. Going about things in that manner will surely make the world a better place...

Just like Bush proclaims it will.

Why didn't they just call it an "enabling act".

Go DUBYA! 👆

The funny thing is that he's sticking that finger up the ass of America, too. The even funnier thing is that people like you don't get it.

Ha.

For all in this thread who seem to have a problem with being tough to those who have no problem beheading people on T.V. and showing us the footage to watch them scream as their throats are sliced.....

Stand aside whilst the men do what needs to be done, ya pussies.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
The funny thing is that he's sticking that finger up the ass of America, too. The even funnier thing is that people like you don't get it.

Ha.

or more to the point scream "YES!!! OH GOD YES!!! DEEPER!!!! HARDER!!!! NOW TELL ME IM A DIRTY WHORE!!!!"

Originally posted by sithsaber408

For all in this thread who seem to have a problem with being tough to those who have no problem beheading people on T.V. and showing us the footage to watch them scream as their throats are sliced.....

straw man for the win 👆

derp de derp look at all da pretty pictures

why dont you lookup "goatse" on google and see your attitude toward dubya

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Hail DUBYA! 👆

Originally posted by sithsaber408
[BFor all in this thread who seem to have a problem with being tough to those who have no problem beheading people on T.V. and showing us the footage to watch them scream as their throats are sliced.....

Stand aside whilst the men do what needs to be done, ya pussies. [/B]

Just because someone does a horrible act does that mean we need to one up them? Probably not I'm thinking.

What happened to turn the other cheek?

Re: Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

Originally posted by PVS
its official. bush can set the standards of torture, he can detain/torture anyone, and any american....forever if he wishes.

the "bias liberal" AP shrugs off any possibility of abuse of power, like the good little whores that they are:

its over. we have officially lost the moral high ground. we will be torturing people with the same methods of which japanese interrigators were charged as criminals after WW2. and this is what will be on record not only that, but as the case with the iraq war, our utterly useless congress and house approves an unconditional bill based on "trust me, ill do the right thing".

the brutality which will be committed from this point will be what smears our image for generations to come, and i hope that as was the case in germany after their defeat, every fukwit who blindly trusted this man will be marched into the prison camps to witness the attrocities they blindly supported

If they're torturing our boys, then I don't see we why can't do the same. "The US is morally better than that blah blah blah", **** that shit!

Originally posted by sithsaber408

For all in this thread who seem to have a problem with being tough to those who have no problem beheading people on T.V. and showing us the footage to watch them scream as their throats are sliced.....

Stand aside whilst the men do what needs to be done, ya pussies.

I really don't see how torturing people helps, how disobeying the laws every civilized country in this world agreed with except for the US helps, how lowering yourself to the level of your opponents and sometimes worse helps, perhaps i'm missing the picture here. But this is torture and there is a reason why its illegal and there is a reason why after most wars in the past people have been trialed and often executed for crimes like this.

If the US would submit its leaders to the International court in The Hague almost everyone of them would be trialed and probably be found guilty of crimes against humanity. The US isn't doing what's necessary.

I do think Bush is a dumbass for announcing it to the world. If you're gonna torture people, then keep it on the DL, don't put it on a neon sign for all to see.

That's nothing.

Bush grants self permission to grant self more power.

Re: That's nothing.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Bush grants self permission to grant self more power.

All this "granting unconditional power" talk is making me think of Jar Jar Binks...

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If they're torturing our boys, then I don't see we why can't do the same. "The US is morally better than that blah blah blah", **** that shit!
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thats great. so when they retaliate by televising medival remenicant tourture, we should up the ante too. then when they start killing babies, we'll do the same. its ok when we do it, cuz we're AMURICAN!!!!!!!!!!!