Originally posted by juggernaut66666
If she is so uber then why is it that she get's handled by magneto all the time???
She doesnt. The instances where that has happened have been plot devices. The first instance it was stated that after the M'Kraan crystal event Jean erected psychic circuit breakers in her mind to cut her power down to a practical level for everyday use on Earth.
In the second instance the famous "Jggg" scene, it was stated time and time again that the Phoenix dies to be reborn, there is purpose behind its death and that Jean had Phoenix work to perform in the future. In the same issue her physical body was destroyed Jean says that she doesnt know how long the Force will let her stay around she has work to do.
Jean the most powerful telepathic force in Marvel, able to grant herself virtually any power as Phoenix, kneels beside a beaten Magneto and comforts him, only to be attacked and "killed". The next page we're shown a Phoenix Egg manifesting in the future.
In a forum battle, such PIS is not catered for. We go by the character in their most powerful form able to use all the abilities theyve demonstrated. If Jean doesnt want to die she will not.
I think a lot of people didn't read zero Hour. Parallax was wiping out the past and cutting off the future at the same time. He was changing reality in alternate dimensions as well. This was no mere chronal energy wielding. Extant is chronal energy and he's top tier cosmic being. Parallax is beyond that. Making IoN beyond parrallax.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think a lot of people didn't read zero Hour. Parallax was wiping out the past and cutting off the future at the same time. He was changing reality in alternate dimensions as well. This was no mere chronal energy wielding. Extant is chronal energy and he's top tier cosmic being. Parallax is beyond that. Making IoN beyond parrallax.
I certainly read Zero Hour and it was stated by captions that he was wielding chronal energies and that he was rewriting history. Thats powerful however hes just working with whats there hes warping and manipulating the timeline. Phoenix showed she can actually cut away and edit time itself, which is beyond manipulating events along the timeline.
Again just to reiterate my analogy its like comparing one of us to a mod. While we can edit and change our posts on the forum, the Mods have the power to delete our posts themselves and determine our access to the forum thereby rendering our ability to edit posts and so on irrelevant.
Actually, he wiped reality clean, and was pouring a new one out of his hand. Not quite the same as messing around with history.
Then his battle with Spectre made him use up his energy.
And then Spectre pumped energy into Damage until he became the new Big Bang.
Then Waverider did some time manipulations and inserted defeated/weak Hal into the timeline before any of it started...
. . . so Zero Hour happened... and didn't.
Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, he wiped reality clean, and was pouring a new one out of his hand. Not quite the same as messing around with history.Then his battle with Spectre made him use up his energy.
And then Spectre pumped energy into Damage until he became the new Big Bang.
Then Waverider did some time manipulations and inserted defeated/weak Hal into the timeline before any of it started...
. . . so Zero Hour happened... and didn't.
I know what he did, we've discussed this before J. I was hoping you'd enter the fray,its been a while 😉
He wiped reality by travelling to the end of time and he applied his power to the conjunction point of time, the loop where the end met the beginning. This proved to be a catalyst and had the result of everything in between being wiped out. Parallax never did that himself with his own energies, he merely applied his power to a crucial point in the timeline and this set something in motion. Thats different.
With the timeline wiped clean Parallax would have used the CHRONAL energy to replay the creation event tailoring it his will.
Powerful but its the manipulation of whats already there. He does nothing from scratch, nothing through outright power. He applies his power to a conjunction point and sets off something.
With a clean slate he would manipulate time to replay the creation event.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
He just won't accept that fact neither the one that magneto has beaten phoenix
Magneto has beaten Phoenix, but through plot device which is the crux of the matter. Just like Thor has beaten Galactus, Zombies have beaten Galactus and Alpha Flight have beaten Galactus. Are any of those things on Galactus' level? Hell no! Why did they defeat him? Plot device. He was weak and hungry and so his search for sustenance brings him into conflict with them. Its the same thing.
You couldnt actually make a point within a versus battle that Magneto has beaten Phoenix and expect to get somewhere. There were circumstances behind it. Circumstances which dont apply within a versus match.
Indeed, he tightened the loop between the beginning and the end of time.YOu have that part correct.
However, he is creating the universe out of his hands. Not time manipulations on the event. I don't know where you got that out of the issue.
I'll point out a few things that contradict your theory, directly from the comic... Shall we?
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"Are you serious, you can create life..?" Guy Gardner.
"Watch me. All these fledgling globules of energy will soon solidify and become new planets filled with life." - Parralax as he pours a new universe from his fingertips.
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Doctor John Irons "Impressive. We are witnessing the birth of a new existance!
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Hal Jordan standing in the nothing that used to be reality:
"It's gone so wrong. Those people.. Coast city..."
"The universe needs a protector -- a real guardian to right these wrongs."
"The Universe needs me."
"Time for a new start."
"Clean Slate."
"A re-made Universe."
"MY universe."
"Who knows. . maybe one Universe won't be enough."
There he's clearly referencing that he has the power to make a multiverse before encountering Spectre. Impressive.
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Parallax the page before Spectre shows up..
"I wish you could embrace what I'm offering. How about a Krypton that never blew up, Superman?"
"Wouldn't you like to regain lost time Captain Atom?"
"They say you can't make a omelette without breaking a few eggs.. . . "
" . .. So I had to erase all existance to build a new and far better reality.
"In the end it will be a new PARADISE! A NEW AGE!
It's pretty obvious, the very panels themselves SHOW the universe coming from him. His hands shaping it.
Your turn.
What part supports your time manipulation of the creation event stuff?
Parallax was manipulating CHRONAL energies, he planned to RECREATE the universe, he was doing nothing from scratch it was all time manipulation, he was working with what was already there:
He applied his power to a crucial point in the timeline, the end of time and this acted as a CATALYST. It caused everything in between the end and the beginning to be wiped clean.
Its the same as someone blasting open the M'kraan crystal and the crystal going on to wipe out all reality. You wouldnt give that person credit for wiping out reality with their own power. They merely set something in motion.
With a clean set and with vast chronal energies at his command Parallax could replay the creation event. Thats different to actually creating a universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNothing you showed there contradicts what I had said. I already mentioned how he tied the knot to wipe the universe.
Parallax was manipulating CHRONAL energies, he planned to RECREATE the universe, he was doing nothing from scratch it was all time manipulation, he was working with what was already there:He applied his power to a crucial point in the timeline, the end of time and this acted as a CATALYST. It caused everything in between the end and the beginning to be wiped clean.
Its the same as someone blasting open the M'kraan crystal and the crystal going on to wipe out all reality. You wouldnt give that person credit for wiping out reality with their own power. They merely set something in motion.
With a clean set and with vast chronal energies at his command Parallax could replay the creation event. Thats different to actually creating a universe.
Now where is this part of him NOT creation a reality from his hands, but rather just manipulating time?
The very pages depict him shaping worlds with his hands.
And I just showed half a dozen quotes directly from the comic supporting the very thing.
Parallax actually refers to a remaking and he states loud and clear that hes achieving this all through CHRONAL energies. It is undoubtedly time manipulation and with that statement you cant speculate that its anything but that.
Creating life anew through time manipulation is possible. By replaying the creation event and forwarding time of course new life will emerge. All Parallax would have to do now is tailor these events to possess a universe of his suiting.
Originally posted by Juntai
"Are you serious, you can create life..?" Guy Gardner."Watch me. All these fledgling globules of energy will soon solidify and become new planets filled with life." - Parralax as he pours a new universe from his fingertips.
That was just one of many.
Nope as he pours chronal energy from his fingertips as stated. He is using chronal energy, to achieve everything therefore its undisputably time manipulation. Take his comment and then interpret everything with that line in mind.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSorry buddy, not buying into the theory.
Nope as he pours chronal energy from his fingertips as stated. He is using chronal energy, to achieve everything therefore its undisputably time manipulation. Take his comment and then interpret everything with that line in mind.
It's there even in the scan you posted.
