Eve eats an apple....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Answer me this Feces: Why did God put that tree thier in the first place?

Secondly: Why did God allow Satan there ? Wasn't Satan damned ? If the Garden of Evil was truly a place of pure good, how could evil be allowed in ?

I don't believe that the Bible says that the Garden of Eden was a place of "pure good". It was, however, a place of goodness and purity, but no guards and wards were in place to keep Satan out.

And why does the story of Eve have so much in common with the story of Pandora ?

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
then rephrase... still believe in the bible and christianity after all these.

Good Luck with that...read the Bible more and more. Sadly, you will eventually see the contradictions and flaws that exist within the Bible...

Ah, it breaks my heart when someone trusts somethign with thier whole heart, only to realize how imperfect their Faith is....

Originally posted by FeceMan
Possibly to test Adam and Eve's devotion.

Lol @ "Garden of Evil".

I don't believe that the Bible says that the Garden of Eden was a place of "pure good". It was, however, a place of goodness and purity, but no guards and wards were in place to keep Satan out.

Because the turth was gradually changed over time into the worship of false gods.

1) Why does God have to test them? Wouldn't it be simpler to just not have the tree there in the first place? That simple act could have avoided all of this...it's like GOD WANTS to be betrayed...devine masochist... ❌

2) Garden of Eden* my bad..brainfart droolio

3) Pandora came BEFORE Eve....The story of Adam and Eve copies the mythos that preceded it. Actually the Bible copies a LOT of mythos that preceded it...read by Christian Mythology thread, and you will see 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Why does God have to test them? Wouldn't it be simpler to just not have the tree there in the first place? That simple act could have avoided all of this...it's like GOD WANTS to be betrayed...devine masochist... ❌

3) Pandora came BEFORE Eve....The story of Adam and Eve copies the mythos that preceded it. Actually the Bible copies a LOT of mythos that preceded it...read by [b]Christian Mythology thread, and you will see 😉 [/B]

Originally posted by FeceMan
I do not pretend to know the will of God.

I am aware. Like I have said in the past, simply because records of other religions exist prior to the Bible does not mean that the Word of God was not spread before them.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Good Luck with that...read the Bible more and more. Sadly, you will eventually see the contradictions and flaws that exist within the Bible...

Ah, it breaks my heart when someone trusts somethign with thier whole heart, only to realize how imperfect their Faith is....

err... ok.. whatever... 😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
I do not pretend to know the will of God.

I am aware. Like I have said in the past, simply because records of other religions exist prior to the Bible does not mean that the Word of God was not spread before them.

Why would God allow his word to be spread in Pagan roots, when he condemns Paganism ? Sounds hypocritical to me.

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
err... ok.. whatever... 😉

Just read the Bible more...you'll see.

It amazes me that the people who beleive in the Bible the most, are those who read it the least...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Just read the Bible more...you'll see.

It amazes me that the people who beleive in the Bible the most, are those who read it the least...

actually, i've read it.. almost all, except some of Paul's letters, Job, haven't finished proverbs.. ecclesiastes...

ok, that's pretty many, but still... i think i've read half of it...

Originally posted by ThePittman
Man, from what I know is born from Sin so you have sinned for just being born. As for the grudge it still is true, he would still have it unless his own son died to clear it, thousands of years later, which sounds like one hell of a long grudge to me.

If God were holding anything at all against you He would not have sent His only Son to go through all of the misery that He experienced to redeem you. Your logic is horrendously flawed.

2 Corinthians 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Originally posted by FeceMan
By eating the apple, Eve became aware of 'good' and 'evil'. This, combined with her blatant disobedience of the one command God gave her, caused problems.

But are you saying you believe it as it is writen? Shold we all suffer because of one, or is god more logical than that?

The Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." To the woman he said, I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." And to the man he said, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:14-19)

I don' t see anything which might qualify as a curse of original sin to be handed down to all of Adam' s descendants. Their lives are supposed to become much more difficult than what they had heretofore experienced, but where in all of that is the sin being passed along? Where is there any indication that this sin must be redeemed eventually by Jesus?

The first mention of the concept of original sin is found in the fifth chapter of Romans, written by Paul. According to Paul, humanity was cursed because Eve sinned when she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But where is the basis to be found for them in Genesis?

Originally posted by Storm
The Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." To the woman he said, I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." And to the man he said, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat of it, cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:14-19)

I don' t see anything which might qualify as a curse of original sin to be handed down to all of Adam' s descendants. Their lives are supposed to become much more difficult than what they had heretofore experienced, but where in all of that is the sin being passed along? Where is there any indication that this sin must be redeemed eventually by Jesus?

The first mention of the concept of original sin is found in the fifth chapter of Romans, written by Paul. According to Paul, humanity was cursed because Eve sinned when she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But where is the basis to be found for them in Genesis?

Romans 5:19
19 For as [B]by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners ,[/B] so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 21 For since by man came death , by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

The genesis can have other interpretations, the knowlegdge of good and evil is related to creation in ancient mysticism... in the kabbalah for example, or in the greek mysticism... the division between good and evil is associated to creation. Jewish mysticism obviously influenced christianism, so its not amazing that these references can be found.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
The genesis can have other interpretations, the knowlegdge of good and evil is related to creation in ancient mysticism... in the kabbalah for example, or in the greek mysticism... the division between good and evil is associated to creation. Jewish mysticism obviously influenced christianism, so its not amazing that these references can be found.

👆 I was about to write something similar, but in a much longer version.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If God were holding anything at all against you He would not have sent His only Son to go through all of the misery that He experienced to redeem you. Your logic is horrendously flawed.

2 Corinthians 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Romans 5:19
19 For as [B]by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners ,[/B] so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 21 For since by man came death , by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [/B]

Are you serious? Stop dodging questions. Storm asked for basis in GENESIS, not ROMANS.

I never took the story of Adamn and Eve literally. I thought it was a symbolic account of humanity ****ing up... which we tend to do quite often.

I believe it is all symbolic....

Originally posted by FeceMan
By eating the apple, Eve became aware of 'good' and 'evil'. This, combined with her blatant disobedience of the one command God gave her, caused problems.

Does anyone else see the severe problem with that?