Eve eats an apple....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Does anyone else see the severe problem with that?

I DO ! But then again, the Story of Adam and Eve has lots of loopholes:

1) They only had two sons, there is no mention of any daughters

2) Even if daughters DID exist, then the human race was spawned from Incest..another sin...

3) Where and how did Black, white, and asian people come about? Supposedly Adam and Eve were either white, black, or arab...where did the other races spawn?

4) Why did God allow the serpant in the Garden in the first place, didn't God banish him BEFORE THAT ?

5) Why does God allow a Tree of dangerous consequence in this "perfect garden"..obviously the garden wasn't perfect....

6) Where is the Garden of Eden located ?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
👆 I was about to write something similar, but in a much longer version.

I thought about giving more detail but then I will have to research and everything.... but there are a lot of analogies that can be found if someone compare the genesis to mysticism.

Originally posted by Storm
...I don' t see anything which might qualify as a curse of original sin to be handed down to all of Adam' s descendants. Their lives are supposed to become much more difficult than what they had heretofore experienced, but where in all of that is the sin being passed along? Where is there any indication that this sin must be redeemed eventually by Jesus?

...But where is the basis to be found for them in Genesis?

I have omitted parts of your post Storm and left behind the salient questions for me to answer. Like I told Imperial Samura every detail in God's Word is not revealed in just one Book. God has interspersed revelation on a variety of subjects throughout His Word. I conjecture that He did this so that we would become students who have to go on a journey and discover the many facets that are hidden as it were in His Word. I believe that we develop a better appreciation of God's Word and we become more conversant of the subject matter as well. Just like a puzzle mosaic that is put together piecemeal we are able to see how each revelation relates to another piece of revelation.

Anyoo, God did tell Adam that the day he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that he would surely die. Death is one of humanity's common denominators. As the cliché goes, death and taxes are two things that are certain in life. I would like to add one: Whoever sincerely asks Jesus Christ for salvation from sin will recieve it. Now, where was I? Oh, I was talking about death being one of humanity's common denominators. Death is something that we are all at the mercy of. According to the Bible the wages of sin is death. So since we all die or rather are subject to death then that presupposes that we must also be sinners (just like Adam). The Word says that the soul who sins shall die. So we can accurately deduce that since death is the consequence of sin then we are sinners and consequently in need of the Savior. God did tell the serpent that He would put enmity between him (the serpent) and the woman and between his seed (satan's own) and her Seed (Jesus Christ). He (Jesus Christ) shall bruise the serpent's head (through His victory over sin, death, Hell, and satan himself), and the serpent shall bruise Christ's heel (Jesus Christ heel was bruised symbolically through His seeming defeat on the cross). So God actually announced the advent of His Son thousands of years before it took place. God had already anticipated humanity's need for the Savior. Again, death is an effect of a cause. The cause is sin and this is as original as sin can get. Although I do not believe children who are incapable of knowing what sin is are not sent to Hell when they die. The Bible reveals that God is just and merciful. He understands that a child cannot truly know what sin is.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And suddenly we are all damned to an afterlife of Eternal Torment...

Does this make any sense ? If this is true, then God lacks logic...

To me, this concept seems nothing more than a rip off of "Pandora's Box" where Pandora, the first woman to exist, unleashes all the evils upon the world, by opening a box which Zeus told her not to open....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I DO ! But then again, the Story of Adam and Eve has lots of loopholes:

1) They only had two sons, there is no mention of any daughters

2) Even if daughters DID exist, then the human race was spawned from Incest..another sin...

3) Where and how did Black, white, and asian people come about? Supposedly Adam and Eve were either white, black, or arab...where did the other races spawn?

4) Why did God allow the serpant in the Garden in the first place, didn't God banish him BEFORE THAT ?

5) Why does God allow a Tree of dangerous consequence in this "perfect garden"..obviously the garden wasn't perfect....

6) Where is the Garden of Eden located ?

For 1 they had at least 3 sons

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And suddenly we are all damned to an afterlife of Eternal Torment...

Does this make any sense ? If this is true, then God lacks logic...

To me, this concept seems nothing more than a rip off of "Pandora's Box" where Pandora, the first woman to exist, unleashes all the evils upon the world, by opening a box which Zeus told her not to open....

Women.......

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Women.......

LOL...damn women f*ck up everything !

1 Timothy 2:13-14 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

[B]Romans 5:19
19 For as [B]by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners ,[/B] so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 21 For since by man came death , by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [/B][/QUOTE]

Adam was created first then Eve, who fell into transgression. However, God did not hold the woman (Eve) responsible for introducing sin into human nature. Adam (perhaps because God initially forbade him from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi) is named as the transgressor. Adam perhaps represented the titular head of their home and was thus accountable for the actions of his wife who was made to help Adam do the Lord's will for his life. Yes Eve did sin first but Adam who sinned after she did is blamed for sin's entrance into the world (i.e human nature).

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
gotta agree, it sorta does. but i dont think i should question God.

after all, its her fault.. she shoulda thought of the consequences...

The idiots who unleashed scripture on the world should have considered the consequences. Alot of people have went to an early grave over this nonsense.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There isn't one Scripture in the Bible that states that Eve ate an apple. I challenge someone to locate it and I will send you money.

I agree... There is nothing in the bible that says it's an apple. People's respones to this post were just stupid.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Women.......

1 Timothy 2:13-14 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

[B]Romans 5:19
19 For as [B]by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners ,[/B] so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 21 For since by man came death , by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [/B][/QUOTE]

Adam was created first then Eve, who fell into transgression. However, God did not hold the woman (Eve) responsible for introducing sin into human nature. Adam (perhaps because God initially forbade him from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi) is named as the transgressor. Adam perhaps represented the titular head of their home and was thus accountable for the actions of his wife who was made to help Adam do the Lord's will for his life. Yes Eve did sin first but Adam who sinned after she did is blamed for sin's entrance into the world (i.e human nature).

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And suddenly we are all damned to an afterlife of Eternal Torment...

Does this make any sense ? If this is true, then God lacks logic...

To me, this concept seems nothing more than a rip off of "Pandora's Box" where Pandora, The first woman to exist, unleashes all The evils upon The world, by opening a box which Zeus told her not to open....

The story of Adam and Eve was just a story. The human raise did not evolve from two people.

Originally posted by Storm
...I don' t see anything which might qualify as a curse of original sin to be handed down to all of Adam' s descendants. Their lives are supposed to become much more difficult than what they had heretofore experienced, but where in all of that is the sin being passed along? Where is there any indication that this sin must be redeemed eventually by Jesus?

...But where is the basis to be found for them in Genesis?

I have omitted parts of your post Storm and left behind the salient questions for me to answer. Like I told Imperial Samura every detail in God's Word is not revealed in just one Book. God has interspersed revelation on a variety of subjects throughout His Word. I conjecture that He did this so that we would become students who have to go on a journey and discover the many facets that are hidden as it were in His Word. As a result, I believe that we develop a better appreciation of God's Word and we become more conversant of the subject matter as well. Just like a puzzle mosaic that is put together piecemeal we are able to see how each revelation relates to another piece of revelation.

Anyoo, God did tell Adam that the day he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that he would surely die. Death is one of humanity's common denominators. As the cliché goes, "death and taxes are two things that are certain in life." I would like to add one: Whoever sincerely asks Jesus Christ for salvation from sin will recieve it. Now, where was I? Oh, I was talking about death being one of humanity's common denominators. Death is something that we are all at the mercy of. According to the Bible the wages of sin is death. So since we all die or rather are subject to death then that presupposes that we must also be sinners (just like Adam). The Word says that the soul who sins shall die. So we can accurately deduce that since death is the consequence of sin then we are sinners and consequently in need of the Savior. God did tell the serpent that He would put enmity between him (the serpent) and the woman and between his seed (satan's own) and her Seed (Jesus Christ). He (Jesus Christ) shall bruise the serpent's head (through His victory over sin, death, Hell, and satan himself), and the serpent shall bruise Christ's heel (Jesus Christ heel was bruised symbolically through His seeming defeat on the cross). So God actually announced the advent of His Son thousands of years before it took place. God had already anticipated humanity's need for the Savior. Again, death is an effect of a cause. The cause is sin and this is as original as sin can get. Although I do not believe children who are incapable of knowing what sin is are not sent to Hell when they die. The Bible reveals that God is just and merciful. He understands that a child cannot truly know what sin is.

Originally posted by Storm
Words.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But are you saying you believe it as it is writen? Shold we all suffer because of one, or is god more logical than that?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I DO ! But then again, the Story of Adam and Eve has lots of loopholes:

1) They only had two sons, there is no mention of any daughters

Genesis 5:3-4
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

2) Even if daughters DID exist, then the human race was spawned from Incest..another sin...

3) Where and how did Black, white, and asian people come about? Supposedly Adam and Eve were either white, black, or arab...where did the other races spawn?

4) Why did God allow the serpant in the Garden in the first place, didn't God banish him BEFORE THAT ?

5) Why does God allow a Tree of dangerous consequence in this "perfect garden"..obviously the garden wasn't perfect....

6) Where is the Garden of Eden located ?

Proverbs 25:2
These also are proverbs of Solomon which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied: It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Deuteronomy 29:29
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

There is a principle that I want to extract from these two verse of Scripture, that is the truth that God does not reveal to us all that there is to know about a given subject. He only gives us what He deems is most expedient (i.e. useful, helpful, needful, etc.). The Bible is not an all-inclusive revelation about all there is to know about all there is to know (I think I just confused myself).

Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

God has chosen to keep some things (i.e. revelation knowledge) hidden from us. God by His Word calls them mysteries We know only those mysteries that the Word has already revealed to us.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then [when we get to Heaven and see Jesus] face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

We will know even as we are known once we (those of us who are saved) get to Heaven. Again, you are all invited to come to Heaven. But you must come through Jesus to get there.

^ What if you are wrong and god lets everyone into heaven?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ What if you are wrong and god lets everyone into heaven?

Hey, remember that time Urizen was like, "haha feceman ur st00pid u say shit and its like i'm gonna go 2 heaven".

And then I was like, "Yes, Lord Urizen, you are going to go to heaven."

He was like, "..." Then he left the thread.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I DO ! But then again, the Story of Adam and Eve has lots of loopholes:

1) They only had two sons, there is no mention of any daughters why do they have to have a daugther?

2) Even if daughters DID exist, then the human race was spawned from Incest..another sin...Not all the time.

3) Where and how did Black, white, and asian people come about? Supposedly Adam and Eve were either white, black, or arab...where did the other races spawn?We have no idea what adam and eve was what nationally or color/

4) Why did God allow the serpant in the Garden in the first place, didn't God banish him BEFORE THAT ?No he wanted to test them

5) Why does God allow a Tree of dangerous consequence in this "perfect garden"..obviously the garden wasn't perfect....Again it was to test them.

6) Where is the Garden of Eden located ?

None of those questions are answered.

And If you're Jewish...why promote the Bible?

Originally posted by Alliance
None of those questions are answered.

And If you're Jewish...why promote the Bible?

Originally posted by FeceMan
It might not state it explicity, but 'you' could easily refer to 'you all' or 'your kin'.

God is logical, but His ways are not our ways. What you see as foolishness and unfairness, He sees as part of His master plan.

Not so, as God created other people, although the specific account is not mentioned. However, Cain travels East to Nod and finds himself a wife.

Microevolution, m'boy.

Satan was cast down from his position, but he was not forbidden from the Garden of Eden.

That's your opinion.

One could assume that God either removed it from the face of the Earth during some point in time and/or it was destroyed by the great flood.