vaders speed

Personally, I prefer the 'they're old/untrained/crippled' explanation than I would prefer an attempt at making the duels faster. That would so quickly kill it for me.

Originally posted by Tangible God
This a "what if." What if there was digital, computer technological whateveritis? Star Wars would be rather different. To keep up with the chronology, he couldn't have said that "For some reason, the entire Star Wars galaxy got slower, dirtier and rougher and fell into low-defintion by the time of the OT."

The reason he came up with the "out of practise" thing was because he needed an answer for the sudden decrease in speed and power from the Force-users. This was the only feasible explanation.

Pretty much, and it is a perfectly reasonable explanation also. GL always said that what happened in the story was limited by the techniques available at the time, so he had it in mind that the PT was a 'beter' time in that regard.

I really don't understand such aggressive negativity towards that as shown by Subjekt.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Pretty much, and it is a perfectly reasonable explanation also. GL always said that what happened in the story was limited by the techniques available at the time, so he had it in mind that the PT was a 'beter' time in that regard.

I really don't understand such aggressive negativity towards that as shown by Subjekt.

I understand why its like that and why he said it, but it mainly pisses me off in the VS. forum where little fanboys think that Dooku is some kind of Sith God cause Lee had the ability to have his face put on a stunt fighter's face digitally. When the whole point is, that if their precious Dooku was filmed with the same technology that Alec was, he would look no different or faster than Alec. And people start throwing the word canon around (which i understand it unfortunately is), but seem to refuse to admit the plain and obvious truth...had the roles been reversed, or the technology been the same (in either case) Dooku would have been just as slow. Lucas can use that piss poor excuse if he wants, i mean hell, its his creation, but it boils down to the fact that Alec Guiness was slower and less mobile than Chris Lee's stunt double.

And that's the only reason i mention it, because of all the little Dooku fanboys out there.

And where do you leave Palpatine? Unlike Yoda he's human and also the oldest. I will not see it again until they do this.

what? 😑

He's disturbed, just ignore him.

But Hell yeah, if Dooku had been in the OT, or been out of practise, he'd be just as slow and stiff as Obi-Wan was.

so its unfair to judge any1s speed in the OT

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I understand why its like that and why he said it, but it mainly pisses me off in the VS. forum where little fanboys think that Dooku is some kind of Sith God cause Lee had the ability to have his face put on a stunt fighter's face digitally. When the whole point is, that if their precious Dooku was filmed with the same technology that Alec was, he would look no different or faster than Alec. And people start throwing the word canon around (which i understand it unfortunately is), but seem to refuse to admit the plain and obvious truth...had the roles been reversed, or the technology been the same (in either case) Dooku would have been just as slow. Lucas can use that piss poor excuse if he wants, i mean hell, its his creation, but it boils down to the fact that Alec Guiness was slower and less mobile than Chris Lee's stunt double.

And that's the only reason i mention it, because of all the little Dooku fanboys out there.

But as TG says, it does not mater how it would have been or could have been. You have to judge it by how it was, and for whatever reason... that is how it was.

how it was or how it was made, are we going to judge the way of the saber blades just because we saw how it looks in the OT compared to the PT? the EU even helps vader, yes he is slower then his counterpart but crimson empire helped vader bigtime, obviously every one refers to the EU for vader, no longer the movies

Movies override the EU.

It is very direct that Vader is slowed by his injuries. And it is also very direct that the OT combatants are not as good as the PT ones. Direct from GL himself, that.

It's a done deal, I am afraid.

proof that gl said he made the movies intentionally slow? obi wan was as slow as vader during the OT and you have to give the EU credit, so is luke by lotf still slow? because the movie has higher canon?

if so then that means the x-men movie trilogy story overwrites all other sources, comics and books is it?

Err, he didn't make them intentionally slow, he made them as he made them, which was slower than the PT, which is something he made official.

And different franchises have different rules. In Star Wars, the movies overrule everything.

yea but that was 30 years ago, at that time, no good CG no equipments for stunts, and we dont see vader fighting at his peak in the OT only in the EU we see him at his peak, his poweful force push, his force crush and how he really kills his opponents by using his sorroundings.

anyways ushgarak, who is the first darth? is it Darth revan or Darth Andeddu?

The reason WHY it is is not important, as we keep saying. The fact is, it IS like that, and GL has written that into the plot.

Vader's peak was when he was Anakin. He was never the same ater his injuries.

true but didnt the script say "obi wan countered vaders attack at lightning speed" i think rampant said something like that

at his peak as in his strongest in his injured state, not his full potential.

But what ush is saying, is that even though we all know its a BS reason and excuse, its technically canon because GL said so. You cant think of it as a bad, motion acting, body builder, restricted by the COSTUME and shoulder pads, you just have to see it as because he's a machine, he's slow...although GG was a machine and quite fast. and cars are machines and quite fast, etc...but we have to grin and bare it, unfortunately.

We'll see when the Live Action Series or some new edition of the movies are made. Vader shouldn't be said to be slow due to the technology of the movies.

The in-SW exscuse for the poor speed and action is:

Vader--serious injuries leave him in that suit, greatly reduce mobility and power.

Obi-Wan--spent the last 19 years in a cave out of practise.

Yoda--same reason.

Luke--freakin' two weeks of training.

Palpatine--we hardly saw him in action huh?

The reason GL and crew gave for these reasons during productions is because they just did not have the technology in computers or digital equipment to do it. No matter who the actor was, they just couldn't.

*bashes head against a wall until it goes through it*

It's funny, because even the EU says that Vader is slow.

veder= teh slowness