Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Does Caps shield absorb momentum too (real question)? because even IF he blocked a relatively strong punch by thing, the sheer might it would require to keep the shield from slamming into his body is well beyond his reach, atleast logically. The force from blocking it would still dazwe him, and possible break somethingdazwe, lol, i ment daze
Also im curious, i think some of the arguements are getting a little lost. are some of you here argueing for cap as a majority? or what cap is capable of doing to thing?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterso the forum is all that matters now? I guess we no longer are taking on pannel evidence into mind 😉
This is sad that you cannot comprehend, I am talking about the forum, I already mentioned earlier that I wasn't disputing it happening.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryour right on pannel evidence means nothing in these forums
My point was that it didn't happen in the forum. Attempt to follow my breadcrumbs, I know it must be hard for you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterread above post
Once again I'm talking about in the forum where the conditions are opitmal and are more logic-based.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterread above post
When did I say he wasn't? Go point his out for me, I said it wouldn't happen in the forum under optimal conditions? Do you know what a theoretical match is? It means in theory or practice.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastercant read whats on pannel? ok well then point out for me where Hulk KO'd Cap in the Ultimates....
This is sad, you can't read what's on "pannel" much less what's in front of you. 😆
My original post : dirceted at the overall forum.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I think the matter of whether or not Thing will KO Cap with various punches is irrelevant. We all agree that Thing has the ability to KO Cap, but will he really have the chance ? Caps superior combat skills and agility, mean that most of Things punches are going to be hitting the shield. The real question is whether or not Cap can actually KO Benn ? I believe he can
Youre response ....
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Was never my argument. My argument was rather the portrayals of the characters in the first place.
Therefore i conclude that this is bollocks
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's funny how you misinterpreted what I said... you started this by sideswiping a point not made at you and addressing me, so when I address your point I'm over "infalted"?
😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah in the same bullcrap scan where Sasquatch says Ben is stronger than him 😐
Do you have proof that Ben does not have pressure points? Because all I've seen so far is your talk.
We know Ben has indeed retained some of his human attributes after transforming into the Thing. As R. O. T. has already pointed out, he can feel pain, so obviously he is not solid rock, or only rock. It's not that hard to believe he has pressure points, especially when it has been shown on panel that he does.
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Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You can beat around my point all night, but all in honesty i believe you know you're 'pissing into the wind'. The point is, to compare the thread fight to an ulterior situation involving similarly powered characters is perfectly valid, and done often by many (Including yourself) forum users.
You seem to confuse "similarly powered" with "identical".
A guy with Class 3 durability takes punches from Class 2 guy with superstrength...
Does that mean that Class 2 durability guy could take a punch from Class 4 superstrength guy?
There are varying degrees of power.
Again, if alternate version character takes punch from another alternate version character (Which isn't even the alternate version of Thing), does that mean that prime version character can take punch from entirely different character?
Hence the rule:
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character
And hence the simple logic that if Ultimate Cap can take punch from Ultimate Hulk, it does not mean that 616 Cap can take punch from 616 Thing.
"Pannel" 🙄 I love this guy... but I have to go...
Originally posted by galan7777777Strawmanning again, my point was that comics were full of inconsistencies and to find a valid point in-between the two, but if changing my points around helps your arguments, go right ahead.
so the forum is all that matters now? I guess we no longer are taking on pannel evidence into mind 😉
Originally posted by galan7777777
your right on pannel evidence means nothing in these forums
If you must strawman my argument.
Originally posted by galan7777777
read above post
Ditto.
Originally posted by galan7777777
read abvoe post
Ditto.
Originally posted by galan7777777
cant read whats on pannel? ok well then point out for me where Hulk KO'd Cap in the Ultimates....
You've missed the entire lesson, you need to stay after class. 😆
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Do you have proof that Ben does not have pressure points? Because all I've seen so far is your talk.We know Ben has indeed retained some of his human attributes after transforming into the Thing. As R. O. T. has already pointed out, he can feel pain, so obviously he is not solid rock, or only rock. It's not that hard to believe he has pressure points, especially when it has been shown on panel that he does.
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Does he have pressure points? Yes
But guys like Cap and Wolverine have no way of knowing them.
Maybe some one like Karnack could figure them out, but Cap isnt.
Besides Cap wont touch Ben. Thunderclap's put him down and Ben throws him too the moon or somthing
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Thing has pressure points. Gamora has taken advantage of them. Get over it.
He has pressure points, but they are in different places then normal humans, Gamora is stronger, faster and better fighter then Cap. I don't see Cap having the neccessary skill or knowledge to attack Thing's pressure points by anything else then accident.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryou make no points in anything you say, all you try to do is twist around words so you look smart..... all you have done is avoid my arguments and points because you dont have an answer for them.... im not wasting anymore time on someone that dodges questions rather then answering them.... im done with this its getting too repetive
"Pannel" 🙄 I love this guy... but I have to go...Strawmanning again, my point was that comics were full of inconsistencies and to find a valid point in-between the two, but if changing my points around helps your arguments, go right ahead.
If you must strawman my argument.
Ditto.
Ditto.
You've missed the entire lesson, you need to stay after class. 😆
Originally posted by Grimm22
Does he have pressure points? YesBut guys like Cap and Wolverine have no way of knowing them.
Maybe some one like Karnack could figure them out, but Cap isnt.
Besides Cap wont touch Ben. Thunderclap's put him down and Ben throws him too the moon or somthing
Have I ever said that Cap would be able to take advantage of Ben's pressure points?
No. In fact, I said exactly the opposite. Try reading what I posted again. 😉
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He has pressure points, but they are in different places then normal humans, Gamora is stronger, faster and better fighter then Cap. I don't see Cap having the neccessary skill or knowledge to attack Thing's pressure points by anything else then accident.
Exactly 😉
Ben has pressure points, but you cannot say that because guys like Cap and Wolverine know them that they would work on Ben.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You seem to confuse "similarly powered" with "identical".A guy with Class 3 durability takes punches from Class 2 guy with superstrength...
Does that mean that Class 2 durability guy could take a punch from Class 4 superstrength guy?
There are varying degrees of power.
Rubbish , you're example is totally out of context. Both the 616 and Marvel universe are canonical, and the difference in durability between Ultimate Cap and 616 Cap is marginal. As is the strength difference between the Thing and Ultimate Hulk.
For example if Suzanne Richards fields can withstand the full force of the Thing, its not preposterous to propose that they could withstand an assault from Colossus.
Originally posted by galan7777777
you make no points in anything you say, all you try to do is twist around words so you looks smart..... all you have done is avoid my arguments and points because you dont have an answer for them.... im not wasting anymore time on someone that dodges questions rather then answering them.... im done with this its getting too repetive
Originally posted by galan7777777You haven't rebutted you've submitted. 🙂
you make no points in anything you say, all you try to do is twist around words so you looks smart..... all you have done is avoid my arguments and points because you dont have an answer for them.... im not wasting anymore time on someone that dodges questions rather then answering them.... im done with this its getting too repetive
I'm off to play streetfighter.