Captain America vs The Thing

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you're just going to accept all of the high showings for the character and neglect the low showings, denying all evidence that points to the opposite direction? That's bad debating. Comic books are chock full of inconsistencies making a war against feats a circular one. Cap has been also shown to be ko'ed by weaker characters "on panel", does that count or do you neglect that to help your argument?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't care about Marvel, this isn't Marvel, this is a versus forum. If that's the case Wolverine beat Lobo, and Spiderman beat Superboy. Here there is a suspension of belief amongst characters. You have no arugment of how Cap has not been amped beyond bulletproof levels, yet you maintain that Hulk cannot KO him, so you scapegoat it by saying its' not your argument in the first place? Why the hell debate then, this is a theoretical match between two characters with their attributes that hasn't happened yet, not some written comic that is made to sell.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I said you thinking that Hulk can't ko Cap in a hit was a fair showing for hulk, and you showed me numerous instances within the same series where Hulk had done more impressive things on a regular basis, therefore hurt your own argument.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Who said it didn't happen? I just said it wouldn't happen in the comics forum. If you don't like the rules then don't debate here.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No its not, its far from it. Marvel didn't write these stories, several living/dead writers dead at different times of their career so no...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Coming from the smilie king, living clone of a dead member? 🙄

Really sounds like a copout to avoid an argument.

I re-iterate my point !

You do have a tendency to write a lot but not actually say anything.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I re-iterate my point !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
So you have never mentioned a character with some relevancy to youre point, although not entirely the character in question ? 🙄

"Cap taking punches is PIS"

With:

"So the entire Ultimates is PIS?"

When talking about 616 Cap?

Ultimate Cap taking Ultimate Hulk punches is not PIS...616 can be debated.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And what have you said? 😕

A lot .... Go back and u'll see.

🙂

Originally posted by galan7777777
i NEVER said that Cap cant be KO'd, but as i said someone stated that one punch from the thing would kill Cap, and thats not true

Originally posted by galan7777777
when did i say hulk COULD NOT ko Cap? stop making things up.... i know hulk and even thing are very capable of ko'ing Cap but not with a single punch

Originally posted by galan7777777
i never said hulk couldnt KO cap, stop making things up

How many hits from a Hulk does it take to Ko an American hero?

Originally posted by galan7777777
when did i say anything about not liking the rules? stop making things up!

Originally posted by galan7777777
Ok im mistaken, the entire Ultimates is PIS, how could i have been so blind?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err, no, but why answer:

"Cap taking punches is PIS"

With:

"So the entire Ultimates is PIS?"

When talking about 616 Cap?

Ultimate Cap taking Ultimate Hulk punches is not PIS...616 can be debated.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
A lot .... Go back and u'll see.

🙂

Versatility is a rare trait here.

Originally posted by galan7777777
this is my point someone said that cap could never take 1 punch from thing without being killed....... i was just trying to show that yes cap in one version can take such punches... it was vaild to the argument

Originally posted by galan7777777
this is my point someone said that cap could never take 1 punch from thing without being killed....... i was just trying to show that yes cap in one version can take such punches... it was vaild to the argument

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Sorry, but it isn't. When someone says that 616 can't take Hulk punches, take down that point by saying that different character from different universe can. You have to show 616 Cap taking Hulk punches.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err, no, but why answer:

"Cap taking punches is PIS"

With:

"So the entire Ultimates is PIS?"

When talking about 616 Cap?

Ultimate Cap taking Ultimate Hulk punches is not PIS...616 can be debated.

Its an example of a simillar character interacting in a very simmilar circumstance, i.e a comparisson. Something i have noted you doing on various ocassions.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I implied that Cap can't take a good shot in the face, I didn't say you said he couldn't be Ko'ed, read carefully.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Read carefully again. I was talking about with a single hit, your only argument was that "it has happened", which means little on this forum.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How many hits from a Hulk does it take to Ko an American hero?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There's more than one way of saying things.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You need to sharpen up your reading comprehension skills.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I might have been impressed if I'd just joined but I'm not sadly... I have the ability to do short and long posts.

Versatility is a rare trait here.

Youre just a glutton for punnishment 'C' ....

Once again

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
'You do have a tendency to write a lot but not actually say anything.'

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You missed my point. My point wasn't that in ALL circumstances a given character can't survive a hit, but that in a logical optimal condition in this forum points towards the chance that he won't.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Its an example of a simillar character interacting in a very simmilar circumstance, i.e a comparisson. Something i have noted you doing on various ocassions.

Err, I'm not sure if you are following me here.

If someone says that Namor can't take Human Torch's supernova,

I won't say that "Well, Ultimate Namor took Ultimate Human Torch's supernova, are you saying that entire Ultimate Fantastic Four is PIS?"

Because it really doesn't make the other guys point any less valid...

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Originally posted by galan7777777
i did and you said that I implied that hulk couldnt KO cap

Nope, rather that he couldn't do it in one hit.

Originally posted by galan7777777
it did happen my friend, there is no debating it

So you favor the optimal condition that supports your argument. This is a forum for debating my friend, what you are doing is attempting to avoid the argument because you can't bring sufficient reason to the contrary when your point is being challenged.

Originally posted by galan7777777
more then 5, as shown on pannel

Originally posted by galan7777777
i see so now you are interpreting what ive said???? Interesting 😕

c

Originally posted by galan7777777
oming from you, that means alot

I think the matter of whether or not Thing will KO Cap with various punches is irrelevant. We all agree that Thing has the ability to KO Cap, but will he really have the chance ? Caps superior combat skills and agility, mean that most of Things punches are going to be hitting the shield. The real question is whether or not Cap can actually KO Benn ? I believe he can.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Youre just a glutton for punnishment 'C' ....

Once again

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Really sounds like a copout to avoid an argument.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err, I'm not sure if you are following me here.

If someone says that Namor can't take Human Torch's supernova,

I won't say that "Well, Ultimate Namor took Ultimate Human Torch's supernova, are you saying that entire Ultimate Fantastic Four is PIS?"

Because it really doesn't make the other guys point any less valid...

🤨

and then someone else said that this event was pis, and i said "then i guess the whole ultimates is PIS"

plz dont twist around what i said to try and validate your own argument

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I think the matter of whether or not Thing will KO Cap with various punches is irrelevant. We all agree that Thing has the ability to KO Cap, but will he really have the chance ? Caps superior combat skills and agility, mean that most of Things punches are going to be hitting the shield. The real question is whether or not Cap can actually KO Benn ? I believe he can.