Originally posted by Lightsnake
When you consider Joruus C'baoth could do this on a global scale with the freezing, it loses some impact...
Except this has nothing to do with the fact that Exar did this without uses of the amulet, which of course, was the entire point. Taking my position about that feat specifically, and twisting it around will do you no good.
And could he control them anyways? Not that it matters, nor loses "impact" (because the casual ease of which Kun does this suggests that it's far from the upper limit of this ability).
and considering Odan is shown as useless at the best of times...
Right:
So as it would seem Odan wasn't useless, and Memit Nadill even gives his praise, and it's obvious that his Battle Meditation was needed to win the battle. So, for you to downplay him is ridiculous. Good thing, though, that I have the actual source material and logic to prove that assertion wrong.
Perhaps, Odan as a young Jedi Knight may have been useless (he wasn't), but to assume Odan Urr after a thousand year is? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Anakin in TPM useless? Didn't he grow more powerful? Why yes, he did. Odan stripped Ancient Sith of the Force after the events of his younger days, he fully mastered his Battle meditation, and spent a great deal of time reading upon the Force. He also was good enough to teach Nomi both of those techniques. To say that Odan is shown as "useless" is ridiculous, because you're talking about Odan Urr...oh say, 985 years ago?
By this logic, Mace Windu must suck because he was beaten by Dooku. But then you take into account, he plainly improved, and there you go. Odan Urr obviously improved, and had more than ample time to do such. A young, inexperienced Jedi Knight < A wise, and proficient Jedi Master.
and considering Kun is there to KILL Aleema and is blasting her with the hand that has the amulet on it...
Right, he's there to kill Aleema, but for some reason or another leaves her alive. Because, as you see on the following page:
She's still there! So, killing her must not have been his top priority. And I could say that Yoda must've used his most devastating attack on Sidious in the office, because, after all, he was there to kill him.
Is Kun using the amulet to push back Sylvar or Odan Urr simply because he uses the same hand? I was always under the impression if you were right or left handed - for the most part - you would usually demonstrate your powers with that hand, so long as it was free.
The reasons that would actually lead one to believe that it wasn't an amulet blast is pretty simple:
1.) The apparent form the blast took looked similar in design as the blast Aleema demonstrated one panel prior, it radically differs from the amulet blasts we see earlier on by that it's doesn't look like Goku's Kamehahahahahaha blast, or whatever (by that it's squiggly lines, and red).
2.) If you will, note his dialogue:
"Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!"
This seems to indicate that he was using the same attack except with more power, so as to show Aleema that what he has learned of Sith magic topples Aleema's own. She also calls him a "pretender", and it would make sense to even prove that he wasn't by using the same type of attack back at Aleema.
3.) The blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe. He was actually mad, as you can obviously tell by his dialogue to Aleema when she claimed him to be a "pretender". No burns? Different design? Dialogue? I'd say it was hardly an amulet blast.
But, of course, the onus is on you to prove that it was in fact an amulet blast.
Big deal, we saw Kol skywalker die from being hit by force lightning when we saw him block it before...
Except there is a difference between virtually being able to block something, and "everything" you know and have learned being virtually ineffective.
"...Luke called upon the powers that Yoda and Obi-Wan had taught him-but everything he did, every skillful technique, failed utterly."
And it also mentions previously that he was seeking any defensive tactic to work. This would imply that he had no defense for it.
Kun wasn't an ordinary spirit. No other has released themselves that way.
Except Nadd is able to affect the living as well, in a way that would kill them, and his power is still diminished. What the hell are you even talking about?
No, he's only able to stand against a guy thalf his age and twice his size who can command the jungle against him, and stop touting Exar's amulet...when was it used against a Jedi master to Mace's caliber?
When has Luke's Emerald Lightning that you've always paraded around use on any strong and capable Force user? Never? Just because it wasn't shown on a "Jedi of Mace's caliber" doesn't mean it's going to be ineffective in some way on someone who's never even heard of it.
What, pray tell, does Mace have up his sleeve that would be able to block monstrous blasts of energy that tear through solid material with enough force of a bomb? I'd say nothing, considering he had a hard enough time blocking Palpatine's lightning, which by all accounts, is hardly on the same level as an amulet blast in that it can't leave giant, gaping holes in beasts, and tear through rock like a bomb.
Primitive natives are hardly the end all be all determination...In fact, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Jedi who wiped out the Ancients never saw Sith Magic either,
I'd be inclined to disagree for the fact that they fought Ancient Sith, so it would only be likely to assume that they, in fact, knew about it and defended against it as it was a primary Sith form of attack, and the fact that the Ancient Sith were greater in number as a whole during that time than any other era. The Ancient Sith were heavy on Sith magic and alchemy, later Sith and later eras - specifically the PT era - were not prepared for any of that, and the PT hadn't even seen Sith in a milennia. Speaking of such, the Sith that arrived were only Darth Maul and Darth Tyranus, both of which have never been indicated to use Sith magic, nor train with it.
When did the Jedi who wiped out the ancients?
Probably when they were battling them.
Here's the difference: Exar isn't doubleteaming Mace,
Because somehow Exar Kun was more powerful as a spirit, despite being half mad, and locked away for 4,000 years and Kyp "Greenhorn" Durron is also on par with Kun when being combined with his spirit. Despite the obvious that he was only like, 16 years old and very inexperienced and dramatically less in power than Exar Kun.
or using the same technique.
Proof that Exar developed a technique as a spirit? It's unlikely considering he learned so much from Sadow (as he apparently has learned "everything"😉, and that's more than likely where he developed the technique from.
Big deal, Palpatine blasted through Rayf with his bare hand...AT AT blasts tear through flesh and solid stone and can be absorbed or deflected.
When has Mace Windu ever done this? Or even shown the capability to? Oh? Never? And there's also the fact that AT-AT blasts have a completely different property than a Force-based attack that uses energy. I would ask, if Mace is such an uber defending god, why he had such trouble blocking Sidious' lightning? Which, as I've already said, is far less destructive in power, and by apparent looks in ROTS, is weaker than Kun's amulet blast, which does double with each pulse of anger, and is shown to seem instantaneous, by the fact that as soon as it was equiped, he started blasting, and continued to do such every single panel.
Until you take Mace's shatterpoint and Vaapad abilities which'd allow him to see Exar's weakness...is Exar even half as good as Mace with a saber?
Until you take into account that this is completely irrelevant to what I'm arguing about the Force. Are Vaapad and a lightsaber relevant to getting blasted through the chest with an amulet blast? Are they relevant to being pwned with Sith magic? Mainly, though, are they relevant to the Force?
Answer: No.
but Mace has things Exar's never even heard of but the advantage is Exar's?
He's never heard of Vaapad, BFD. Again, Force power does not equal Vaapad, and Shatterpoint wasn't of much use when he got injured by the partially trained Kar Vastor, did it? Plus, his Shatterpoint didn't help much when he was having an immense amount of trouble holding down Sidious' lightning.
What'll Exar do when his own dark side power is thrown back in his face?
Right, what the hell are you talking about again?
