Exar Kun VS (RotS) Mace Windu

Originally posted by Lightsnake

Exar's been brought down in power and just about every official source agrees Palpatine is the best. What's Exar got that Palpatine doesn't? Palp had a massive collection of Sith amulets, remember?
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this to remind you again, ok so palpatine has amulets but did he use them often? no and as we all say, its the authors opinion on palpatine

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Now, prove Exar even knew drain. Using an obelisk in a ritual to drain things isn't the same as using Force drain yourself.

Nice misdirection and trying to get me to prove a negative, tsk tsk

read this whole passage

and secondly, i edited, was not trying to prove you a "negative"

Did he ever have a chance to use them? No? Ok, then. How often did Kun use his amulets?

Tsk, tsk...prove Kun had drain or heal, please. Using an obelisk hardly counts

Originally posted by Crimson King
[B]When has he ever frozen millions of people?

Dude, all the planetary system in the galaxies would be millions.

this is a much, much earlier Republic...a much smaller one

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Note that he had the amulet in all three pages.

Note that you clearly are an idiot. He didn't use the amulet for any one of them. Where's your proof that he used the amulet again? Oh? Your ass? Well, before stepping up to me, I suggest you bring some logic, son because this schoolyard KMC shit will not fly.

Exar did three entire Force feats without the uses of the amulet, so you are, indeed, wrong. I could ask did Exar use the amulet when he Force pushed Sylvar simply because he had it equipped?

Answer: No.

He has his amulet on at all times, this does not mean he uses it at all times. On panel evidence suggests that on multiple occasions, he didn't use his amulet. Your evidence? Uh, none?

Mace has Vaapad and shatterpoint which is much faster than a blast. You haven't read Shatterpoint have you?

Somehow, though, this is completely irrelevant to the Force fight. And where's the proof that Vaapad is faster than an amulet blast? Especially when Vaapad is a lightsaber form. If Exar is ten feet away from Mace, what's quicker? His lightsaber or apparent instantaneous blasts?

I'd also like to ask for your proof that either of Mace Windu's technique are any faster than amulet blasts, especially when they are depicted as the equivalent to DBZ blasts, meaning, of course, instant - only taking a few nanoseconds to reach the opposition depending on how far they are away.

Good to hear, though, that you have none, and you pulled this assertion straight from your ass. I'd also like to say that Mace Windu's Shatterpoint ability didn't even immediately work when he was dueling Sidious, so as for me reading Shatterpoint? Well, let's see: do you read anything?

Anything you mentioned was all done with the amulet. There's no proof of Kun doing anything significant without the amulet.

I'm going to explain this simply:

On. Panel. Evidence. Proves. You. Wrong.

Therefore, I'm inclined to believe

You. Are. Making. This. Up.

So, basically provide proof that he used the amulet in all three. Actually, there's no viable evidence that suggests he did use an amulet blast on Aleema, rather Sith magic. He Force choked or rather, instakilled Odan Urr. Prove that the amulet did that, as the onus is on you to do such. Simply stating it, especially when you are far from a debating senior, will not be sufficient.

As for freezing and controlling the Senate:

"Exar Kun's Sith spell has worked silently, and perfectly" - Omniscient narrator, in other words: all knowing, not fallible third party characters. So, do tell, since when is a Sith spell using the amulet? Oh, that's right: you are plainly making shit up.

Lying will not help your argument, Hefner.

One thing you fail to consider though: Exar has been shown to totally scorn amulet use in favor for his saber.

Except I'm not considering it because I plainly do not care. I'm not even arguing Exar would win in an all out fight. Only two things:

1.) Exar did several feats without the uses of his amulet, which is obvious enough.

2.) The Force advantage is Exar's, and that he'd win if it came down to a Force battle.

Fair enough. All out, we have evidence of Exar showing his saber preference

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Did he ever have a chance to use them? No? Ok, then. How often did Kun use his amulets?

Tsk, tsk...prove Kun had drain or heal, please. Using an obelisk hardly counts

because there was no threat big enough to use it to? and wiki wookie and the dark side source book says exar has drain, now shut up prehaps read the passage again, lying fanboys cant kill exar kun and PROVE that kun used the obelisk to drain the massassi, just because he got tied up there? o so then that must mean nihilus ship was the one who drained katarr,

and a much smaller republic? prove it again

did i say kun has heal? dont feed me with words. and ask yourself this, did palpatine use drain enough? same with exar, both palpatine and exar hardly use drain,

no threat? Unlike say....the Jedi attacking him? and I dont' care about Wiki and the DSB doesn't say anything. Btw, he used an obelisk...remember 'Sith power objects unleashed!'

K? K.

Originally posted by Advent

Somehow, though, this is completely irrelevant to the Force fight. And where's the proof that Vaapad is faster than an amulet blast? Especially when Vaapad is a lightsaber form. If Exar is ten feet away from Mace, what's quicker? His lightsaber or apparent instantaneous blasts?

I'd also like to ask for your proof that either of Mace Windu's technique are any faster than amulet blasts, especially when they are depicted as the equivalent to DBZ blasts, meaning, of course, instant - only taking a few nanoseconds to reach the opposition depending on how far they are away.

Good to hear, though, that you have [b]none, and you pulled this assertion straight from your ass. I'd also like to say that Mace Windu's Shatterpoint ability didn't even immediately work when he was dueling Sidious, so as for me reading Shatterpoint? Well, let's see: do you read anything?

Vaapad is a state of mind, not a lightsaber form. If you read ROTS, you would have read the part where it says that.

Think about though, Jedi and Sith could take MUCH more punishment back in the day. I'm a noob I know but hear me out. Lightning and drain had the same effectiveness but the Jedi and Sith were resilient enough to break the hold and continue the fight. So Mace won't have much resistence to drain(the New Sith Wars occured a millenia before his time and by then they thought the Sith were extinct(except for a few pathetic Dark Jedi)they had Little reason to re-develop resistance to such techniques.

Mace probably has never seen drain life or death field so he would have little to no defence agaist it .

Kun didn't even know. He just read Naga Sadow's book and followed directions.

I may be wrong about this next part, but didn't Kar use drain on some girl in Shatterpoint?

IDK but that would be a moot-point anyways huh?

Oh, right a DARK LORD OF THE SITH(Who was Anoited by Ragnos himself) is just a good scholar. And that thing he did to the Massasi to preserve his life was a fluke.smartass

Well, you said Mace never saw force drain. I just thought Kar did it in Shatterpoint.

doesn't mean mace saw it though